pippin;358281 Wrote: > Chavez, Allende > (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB123/chile.htm)
wait a minute, you are claiming HUGO CHAVEZ as an example of a democratic gov't??? are you kidding? pippin;358281 Wrote: > Maybe. Makes you incredible and unpopular, though. That was my point. well, it shoudn't, and being popular isn't the point anyway. pippin;358281 Wrote: > You'll always find some people who are against anything. That's the > nature of a democracy, isn't it? Wasn't it that what you claim to > promote. > I am not against it and Germany does have troops there. They sometimes > even get killed. of course i promote it, my point is that not all positions are rational. and gimmie a break about germany, it has ZERO combat troops there, and what little ones it does have there are in the rear with the gear. if i'm wrong, show me. pippin;358281 Wrote: > http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/07/sprj.irq.un.transcript.blix/index.html > Show me a single piece of evidence for you claims be clear: what exactly do you want? evidence of the armistice? evidence the UN inventoried WMDs after the gulf war? pippin;358281 Wrote: > This may be true. But nobody forces the US to do anything. does that mean when we do do things, when the rest of the world does nothing, we should be criticized? how about looking at home first? pippin;358281 Wrote: > Well, as I said before, we do have troops there and they do die. > There still is some sentiment in this world about Germany going to war, > ask our British friends here in the thread about this. > And when we finally signed a peace treaty after WW2 (which actually > happened as late as 1990), we guaranteed to only go to arms under NATO > command, a proposition required, among others, by the US. Later that > was revised to also allow UN command. america has asked germany to do more, they won't. pippin;358281 Wrote: > That said, I never claimed that the US are only doing bad. I completely > acknowledge that its very often the US that has to bail out > international organizations when it's getting hot and I am also no > friend of the "soft" pressure of imposing economic sanctions on a > country because (for example in the case of Iraq) those can kill even > more people and only put pressure on the people, not the ones in power. so whats your solution? we had WMDs that saddam wouldn't demonstrate he had detroyed, we have iran trying to build a nuke, we had oil for food bribes... whats your solution? negotiations? pippin;358281 Wrote: > But claiming that the US is doing this for others is simply ridiculous > and also, I was talking about sentiment towards the US in the world. > You can't talk that away, it's there. Leave your country and you will > see it. You want to fight terrorism? Cool way to do it, believe me the > Iraq war was the single most efficient recruiting campaign they ever > had... of course we have a self interest in SOME of what we do, (we had NONE in bosnia, your backyard), but frankly i could care less what the rest of the world thinks, as the rest of the world rarely has a backbone or can be counted on. where is the EU for georgia? the ukraine? moreover, this idea that we shouldn't do anything pro-active or else it will ecruit more terrorists, is defeatist. sounds very neville chamberlain to me. you don't cure cancer by appeasing it. you fight it. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / SBC - w/SC 7.3b - Win XP Pro SP3 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54678 _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
