MrSinatra;358345 Wrote: > > do you consider the russian elections "fair" as well? > No. > > do you consider it a fair election when there is no free press? > Well, Jimmy Carter does. But he's a socialist, I know... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3571350.stm When he lost one, even the US gov. thought it's fair: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYHgWXg21cI0i-8AseulYJNg69VQ > > sorry, in america we know a sham when we see it. chavez is a sham, a > complete and total sham. > Of course he is. So is Bush. What's the point? Both are elected shams. > > exactly, why hasn't NATO sanctioned it? the USA wants you to, but you > hide behind technicalities. what an ally. > Could it be that you have no idea what NATO is about? Read it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nato > > exactly, you have no plan, no strategy. all you have are complaints. > i ask you for solutions, you provide none. > yawn Why on earth should I provide you with a solution for a mess you got into against our advice? > > the russians, and you let georgia be totally destroyed by them, and you > do virtually nothing, in any way, as a response. > This is simply wrong. Georgia started the war, not even they would argue about that. THEY argue that they had a "go" by the US government which the latter denies. I tend to believe the US gov. in this case. > > not yet, but russia is threatening. tell me, what will germany do > then? nato? the eu? > No, they are not. Ukraine is a deeply torn apart country between the western part, which is Ukrainian and the eastern part, which is mainly Russian (by population). This is too complex a story to be discussed here in between three lines. But the last time I met Russians and Ukrainians, which was about two weeks ago, they came along pretty well with each other. > > its fair to question the strategy. but i would argue that establishing > a democracy in th middle east is worth it. I'm not sure it is worth the price. What you eventually WILL get is a civil war, after which you may actually have a Democracy in Kurdistan, which then will be invaded by Turkey, which then the US will do nothing about. I don't know what will happen to the Sunni areas but the south will most likely come under Iranian control. Which may not be the worst thing, long term, since the Iranians managed a revolution before (against the US, who supported their Dictator, which in turn largely contributed to all the turmoil between the US and Iran these days) and are liberal by Middle East standards (the people, not the gov.). Until then, a few 100.000 more people will die. Is it worth it?
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