MrSinatra;358324 Wrote: > wait a minute, you are claiming HUGO CHAVEZ as an example of a > democratic gov't??? are you kidding? > No, I'm not. He's an elected president. Several times re-elected. The vote has even been fair. I don't like him either, but he DOES have the support of his people. He did even get more votes than his opponent, a thing not every US president could claim.
What is your standard for a democracy? That it's being run by the Republican party? This is EXACTLY the kind of imperialist attitude the US is being hated for in big parts of the world. > > and gimmie a break about germany, it has ZERO combat troops there, and > what little ones it does have there are in the rear with the gear. > That's a question of perspective. As I said, they are not allowed to go into combat as of the German constitution which allows for German troops to only go into combat under one of two conditions: Sanctioned by UN or when NATO goes to war. Both is not the case here. > > what exactly do you want? evidence of the armistice? evidence the UN > inventoried WMDs after the gulf war? > evidence of the WMD still existing in 2003. The US claimed to have it, it was a lie. > > does that mean when we do do things, when the rest of the world does > nothing, we should be criticized? > When it's against what the rest of the world wants: yes. > > america has asked germany to do more, they won't. > They can't. Read my last post. It's in the constitution. Without that we would not have gotten the unification. I admit the US were not the hardliners about this, that was France and the UK, but that's still how it is. > > so whats your solution? we had WMDs that saddam wouldn't demonstrate > he had detroyed, we have iran trying to build a nuke, we had oil for > food bribes... whats your solution? negotiations? > Having a plan before going to war would help a good deal, first of all. Iran is not trying to build a nuke, they are trying to play games with you. And you don't get it. What did you have to negotiate in Iraq? How about just leaving them alone? They did attack no one (in 2003). What's your solution: Stay there for another 150 years and get US soldiers killed by all sides? Have fun! Pull out and get a civil war? Cool plan you had. Cool democracy you got! > > of course we have a self interest in SOME of what we do, (we had NONE > in bosnia, your backyard), but frankly i could care less what the rest > of the world thinks, as the rest of the world rarely has a backbone or > can be counted on. where is the EU for georgia? > Where it belongs: at home. Please don't forget who started THAT war! > > the ukraine? > What's up with ukraine? No war there. > > moreover, this idea that we shouldn't do anything pro-active or else it > will ecruit more terrorists, is defeatist. sounds very neville > chamberlain to me. you don't cure cancer by appeasing it. you fight > it. Yep. But you will not cure brain cancer by amputating legs. -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54678 _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
