why do you always become a smartass? why do you also become disingenuous?
snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote: > No kidding? > > Are you sure? > > I mean, I just guessed and had -exactly- the same text in my post! > What a coincidence! smartass. snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote: > there is nothing in that sentence about internal tags. Nor is Coke's > secret formula there. So what? disingenuous. (and the coke line is smartass) no duh there is nothing in it about internal tags to SC7, nor should there be! thats not the issue. originally, (in post 41) you only quoted HALF the infobox line back to slimkid. but you needed THE FULL LINE to get the point of the option. you make it seem as if there is NO RELATION between the two lines in the same infobox!!! that its just some random statement of fact with no implications for SC7. PREPOSTUREOUS! OBVIOIUSLY when the infobox says this: "Albums that contain songs that are tagged with a band may be listed under that band name or with the other artists for that album. The band tag is also known as TPE2 and may appear as the "album artist" in some software." the second line is explaining WHAT VALUE makes the FIRST line work!!! maybe you drink too much pepsi if you deny that. so the infobox is then referencing how that option should work with what? well, with NORMAL TPE2 TAGS used in various programs! and it explains what various programs might use to denote the TPE2 field! is this not obvious? so in post 41 you are saying "it doesn't say it will treat TPE2 tags as ALBUMARTIST" and yes, obviously the internal tag of ALBUMARTIST is NOT mentioned. BUT IT DOES FORCEFULLY IMPLY that TPE2 tags WILL make the option work! how can you disagree with that? seriously, do you disagree with that? and if you agree the option is for sorting, not just displaying who an album is by, then you can't just summarily dismiss the problem. now if you disagree, and believe the option should not be for sorting, fine. however, that raises many issues. the first is how is one supposed to sort by TPE2 tags then? the second is how stupid is it to display albums as by TPE2 tags and have them sorted out of place? (displaying by TPE1 is not a viable option if you have a various artist album with lots of differing TPE1 artists) snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote: > No. > > It would imply that BAND is called 'Album Artist' by some software. > That is what it says. It says "SOME SOFTWARE". It does NOT say its > own name. this is insanity. seriously, what else can one call it? SC7 has an option for people to use. i have quoted many times now the infobox for that option in full. for you to claim that whats in the infobox is not meant by SC7 to explain what is needed to make the option work properly is simply a denial of reality. i'll quote it again in full: "Albums that contain songs that are tagged with a band may be listed under that band name or with the other artists for that album. The band tag is also known as TPE2 and may appear as the "album artist" in some software." thats the infobox for the "List albums by Band" option. how can any sane person not see that as an explanation saying that the TPE2 field will make the option work correctly? WHY ELSE WOULD IT BE THERE? honestly, your attempt to parse it falls flat when taken in the context in which the option and the infobox is given... for you to deny that is beyond ridiculous. snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote: > If I say, "some people pick their nose and eat the boogers" that does > not mean that I do. It means some people do. It does not even imply > that I do. If you say, "some people are idiots" are you calling > yourself an idiot? I think not, I think you are quite capable of > leaving yourself out of the 'some people' group and not believing that > 'some' is 'all'. Certainly I say "some people are morons" all the > time, yet do not think of myself as one... > > Why is SC any different? Why when it says 'some' does it mean 'me'? you need to step back and think this thru again, b/c you are way, way off base. first of all, we agree that SC7 is not talking about its own internal tags in either the option, or the infobox. it is talking about the fields one will find in their mp3s, specifically the TPE2 field. with me so far? that being the case, it is merely explaining how the option works, and what other programs MAY call the TPE2 field, (presumably so one could go to those programs and make edits to get the desired results from SC7s option). so, if your software says "band" or "album artist" that is the TPE2 field that this option is talking about and will use to do what this option does. again, do you disagree with that? snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote: > It could be slightly more clear if it said, "some other software," but > the implication that it was talking about other software is the way I > read it. It knows how it works, if it meant itself, it would have said > it. pure lunacy. the option and the infobox were only making reference to what a SC7 user would NEED TO KNOW to realize what the option utilized to work! it then expects the user to apply this knowledge via other programs and then come back to using this functionality of SC7. snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote: > Right, and this is behavior is very nice with classical works. great... so as i said in other posts, there should be a sort by option, and a display by option. then both of us could have it any way we wanted! imagine! why fight me on this? snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote: > Since I said exactly the same thing earlier today, yes, of course I > agree with that. I even posted the code that shows TPE2 goes to BAND. great, so we agree on this anyway. snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote: > No, actually, looking at my music, I would not. I use TPE2 for > Orchestra on classical. ok, and thats fine. so why not have two options? one for displaying, one for sorting. right now, people who would sort by TPE2 have no way to do it. snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote: > Really? Look at the subject of this thread. It does not say 'sort > album by TPE2'. It does not say 'sort album by band'. It says by > album artist. > > It Does that. disingenuous. first of all, you are replying to me and what i am saying, not the OP. secondly now you are using the terms loosely. it [SC7] does not sort by "album artist" but by "ALBUMARTIST" as you went to great pains to teach me. (and i appreciate that) so when you say "it does that" it doesn't, does it? thirdly, the OP obviously meant "album artist" in his other non-SC7 software. and that meant TPE2 (assuming he was talking mp3 files). so he was saying SC7 doesn't sort by his album artist tags, and obviously he is right. and why was he confused? b/c the List albums by Band option is misleading, poorly explained, and very possibly broken if indeed it is meant to sort. keep in mind, he even had compilation = no in his tags. (i don't know if he actually had "no" or 0 or even if it matters, but he mentioned that). so now, lets handle my point: my point was that why should SC7 take the TPE2 tag and use it for ALBUMARTIST? why does SC7 do that instead of the other way around? why shouldn't the ALBUMARTIST be blank and BAND be the filled-in field? why shouldn't SC7 just FILL THEM BOTH if TPE2 is the only tag available for those two internal fields? if TPE2 is OFFICIALLY the tpe2/band tag (and it is), meaning officialy also known as "band" and meanwhile it is also OFFICIALLY NOT the album artist tag, (although it unofficialy is also that in many places as the SC7 infobox attests) then why did SC7 choose to use the OFFICIAL "band tag" of TPE2 to populate SC7s INTERNAL ALBUMARTIST tag, but NOT SC7s INTERNAL BAND tag???? surely you'd admit that is inconsistent? or is the pepsi too strong? snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote: > As for what it has to do with ALBUMARTIST: I bet if you changed the > source in Slim::Formats::MP3.pm to map TPE2 -> ALBUMARTIST you would > have the behavior you wish. maybe so, but first i am not a coder, secondly i update too often to do this. and most importantly, this does not help everyone else in the same boat i am in. snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote: > Which is why it has everything to do with the ALBUMARTIST. You are > trying to make BAND the same as ALBUMARTIST. > > In honor of your name: > > title: You And I > artist: Frank Sinatra > album: The Song Is You > track: 10/22 > band: Tommy Dorsey > > Is Tommy Dorsey the Album Artist? > > Is the additional info of the band useful here? great example, and of course it is useful. and thats why i say there should be TWO OPTIONS. one for choosing what to display an album by, and one for choosing what to sort by. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45457 _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
