Very well said John,

I fully appreciate taht companies offering Screen readers such as Freedom Scientific and GW Micro have very strong and usable products, but they are not cost effective to the comsumer. And whilst Apple may not be up there with them in terms of Screen Reading at the moment, the potential for such as leap is great, and it is possible that Apple will surpass the likes of these companies in the very near future. The suggested accessibility improvements in Leopard are i think proof of that.

You are also right about the school situation with Windows and Apple machines. Although I am still a Windows user i am slowly migrating all my computing needs over to the Mac, but i do think that the Mac is easier to navigate and use for many potential students not just blind students and users than Windows.

I think a problem may be that everyone uses Windows, because Microsoft has monopolised the market, and although Apple and Linnux are more stable etc, people have grown up with Microsoft andd have heard negative things about Apple etc. And so people are reluctant to change from what they know, but i was glad i did.

Just my two cents worth
Take care
James
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Heim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS Xby theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility look at Vista


The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) told Microsoft to *not* include a screen reader in their operating system. There is Narrator which allows you to get started but it's not something you can use to get your job done. The NFB felt that including a screen reader in Windows would drive companies like Freedom Scientific out of business and that Microsoft's screen reader would be inferiour to existing screen readers like JAWS.

That seems like contradictory logic to me. But you know how it goes... If the NFB tells Microsoft to not include a screen reader, they're not going to. And after all, who knows if Microsoft really would have done it.

I argued on the NFB's list that Voiceover is proof of the invalidity of the NFB's point of view.

Another thing I argued was that Apple might regain a toe-hold in schools and colleges with Voiceover. Those institutions have to supply accessible computers to students and a Mac with voiceover is a very cost effective solution Instead of having a lab with 10 or 20 Windows machines and just 1 with JAWS installed, they can have 10 or 20 Macintoshes all of which are usable by a blind student.

I wouldn't be surprised if someday Microsoft ignored the NFB and improved their screen reader to a point where you can actually do your job with it.



----- Original Message ----- From: "John Weir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:34 PM
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I am not much impressed. All that the article talks to is already done by the MAC. Voice recognition has been there for some time and the enlarging of letters and other items are all in VoiceOver. I didnt see anything about screen readers. Vickie Weir

LARRY WANGER wrote:

Hi,

I ran across this article this evening and thought I'd share it. I know, its a Mac list but some of the steps Microsoft is taking to incorperate and promote accessibility are intreaguing. Now, we know Microsoft and the hype is just that but it will be interesting to see this. Even more interesting to see some of the other access improvements in Leopard and where we end up.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/business/stories.nsf/technology/story/B30BAA80C251A2D7862571E1006E85F9?OpenDocument

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