I think my suggestion was to turn on grouping, use
Shift-Control-Option-Down to enter each group, use Ctrl-Option-Right or
Control-Option-Down to cycle between the items in each group, use
Shift-Shift-Control-Option-Up to exit each group as you finish with it,
and use Control-Option-Right and Control-Option-Down to move on to the
next item or group. Navigation is still unlikely to be perfect, but if
you could provide a URL and example content you skip over that might
help us confirm if it's a bug or something you happen to be doing wrong.
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Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Rafael Bejarano wrote:
Thanks for the info. My initial reason for asking about grouping items
is that I was trying to solve a problem I'm having with Safari 3 in
Tiger. In particular, I am finding that VO skips content when I try to
navigate web pages using VO left- and right-arrow. Any suggestions as to
how to solve this problem would be highly appreciated.
Rafael Bejarano
On Nov 17, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
Rafael Bejarano wrote:
What is the grouping option supposed to do? I wasn't sure how to use
it once I enabled it, so I disabled it again.
Rafael Bejarano
Here's what the Getting Started with VoiceOver manual says (page 53):
"The VoiceOver cursor typically moves linearly across webpages, from
upper left to lower right. Depending on how a webpage was designed, the
VoiceOver cursor may seem to move randomly when you navigate in this
way. VoiceOver provides some options for improving the navigation
experience. 'Group items in web pages' organizes a webpage into related
groups of information. For example, all the song titles in a list of hot
tunes, or an image with an excerpt of a news article. When you choose
this option, VoiceOver identifies these as a group. You can skim quickly
through groups until you hear one that interests you. Each group of
information is treated as a content area, so you use the VoiceOver
command Control-Option-Shift-Down Arrow to interact with the contents."
Moving linearly across webpages is rarely an optimal mode of
navigation, since the various bits of content on a webpage is often
arranged in a grid-like layout of boxes, which might be placed
side-by-side as well as one beneath another. What you want to do,
ideally, is read line-by-line within a particular box, then move onto
the next box. One of the big problems with the VoiceOver/WebKit
combination is that the VoiceOver cursor often seems to skip between
different boxes so that text is skipped or read out of order. My
impression is the 'Group items in web pages' option minimizes this
problem somewhat, at least in Tiger with Safari 2.
--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
