Thanks for clarifying. The perplexing thing is that I never had to
group items in order to navigate web pages before installing Safari
3. Moreover, Safari still skips items sometimes, even with the
grouping option activated.
A URL at which the problem has occurred is NPR.org.
Cordially,
Rafael Bejarano
On Nov 18, 2007, at 2:41 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
I think my suggestion was to turn on grouping, use Shift-Control-
Option-Down to enter each group, use Ctrl-Option-Right or Control-
Option-Down to cycle between the items in each group, use Shift-
Shift-Control-Option-Up to exit each group as you finish with it,
and use Control-Option-Right and Control-Option-Down to move on to
the next item or group. Navigation is still unlikely to be perfect,
but if you could provide a URL and example content you skip over
that might help us confirm if it's a bug or something you happen to
be doing wrong.
--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Rafael Bejarano wrote:
Thanks for the info. My initial reason for asking about grouping
items is that I was trying to solve a problem I'm having with
Safari 3 in Tiger. In particular, I am finding that VO skips
content when I try to navigate web pages using VO left- and right-
arrow. Any suggestions as to how to solve this problem would be
highly appreciated.
Rafael Bejarano
On Nov 17, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
Rafael Bejarano wrote:
What is the grouping option supposed to do? I wasn't sure how to
use it once I enabled it, so I disabled it again.
Rafael Bejarano
Here's what the Getting Started with VoiceOver manual says (page
53):
"The VoiceOver cursor typically moves linearly across webpages, from
upper left to lower right. Depending on how a webpage was
designed, the
VoiceOver cursor may seem to move randomly when you navigate in this
way. VoiceOver provides some options for improving the navigation
experience. 'Group items in web pages' organizes a webpage into
related
groups of information. For example, all the song titles in a list
of hot
tunes, or an image with an excerpt of a news article. When you
choose
this option, VoiceOver identifies these as a group. You can skim
quickly
through groups until you hear one that interests you. Each group of
information is treated as a content area, so you use the VoiceOver
command Control-Option-Shift-Down Arrow to interact with the
contents."
Moving linearly across webpages is rarely an optimal mode of
navigation, since the various bits of content on a webpage is
often arranged in a grid-like layout of boxes, which might be
placed side-by-side as well as one beneath another. What you want
to do, ideally, is read line-by-line within a particular box,
then move onto the next box. One of the big problems with the
VoiceOver/WebKit combination is that the VoiceOver cursor often
seems to skip between different boxes so that text is skipped or
read out of order. My impression is the 'Group items in web
pages' option minimizes this problem somewhat, at least in Tiger
with Safari 2.
--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
