yeah, when I go there, I get two links, one says become a sponsor and the other I don't remember. It played a bit at first and then stopped and no matter what I do, It will no longer play.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: Re: npr was: Re: Problems with Safari 3 hmmm, maybe viewing source code and locate the 24-hour stream and copy the link then perhaps paste it into a file on the desktop could be used to get it going. It's a bit extreme I admit, another thing about wamu and probably npr is that only registered users with accounts have full use of page resources and the 24-hour stream could be restricted until registration is taken care of. On Sun, 18 Nov 2007, David Poehlman wrote: > one thing though, the 24hour stream will not play. > > On Nov 18, 2007, at 5:56 PM, Rafael Bejarano wrote: > > The NPR page can be navigated with Safari 3, also, but be sure you have > the > group-items-in-web-pages checkbox checked, or VoiceOver will skip content. > At > least, that happens on my iBook G4. > > Cordially, > Rafael Bejarano > On Nov 18, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >> I have gone to the npr.org page with tiger and safari 2.x and was able to >> get far enough into the page so I could listen to streaming broadcasts. I >> still have tiger but updated to safari 3.x and haven't gone back and >> tried >> that pae again yet. >> >> >> >> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007, David Poehlman wrote: >> >> > Fate E complee, but I don't know how it ehaved in tiger with s2. It's >> > a >> > busy page though. >> > >> > On Nov 18, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Rafael Bejarano wrote: >> > >> > Thanks for clarifying. The perplexing thing is that I never had to >> > group >> > items in order to navigate web pages before installing Safari 3. >> > Moreover, Safari still skips items sometimes, even with the grouping >> > option activated. >> > >> > A URL at which the problem has occurred is NPR.org. >> > >> > Cordially, >> > Rafael Bejarano >> > On Nov 18, 2007, at 2:41 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: >> > >> > > I think my suggestion was to turn on grouping, use >> > > Shift-Control-Option-Down to enter each group, use Ctrl-Option-Right >> > > or >> > > Control-Option-Down to cycle between the items in each group, use >> > > Shift-Shift-Control-Option-Up to exit each group as you finish with >> > > it, >> > > and use Control-Option-Right and Control-Option-Down to move on to >> > > the >> > > next item or group. Navigation is still unlikely to be perfect, but >> > > if >> > > you could provide a URL and example content you skip over that might >> > > help us confirm if it's a bug or something you happen to be doing >> > > wrong. >> > > -- >> > > Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis >> > > Rafael Bejarano wrote: >> > > > Thanks for the info. My initial reason for asking about grouping >> > > > items is > that I was trying to solve a problem I'm having with >> > > > Safari 3 in Tiger. > In particular, I am finding that VO skips >> > > > content when I try to navigate > web pages using VO left- and >> > > > right-arrow. Any suggestions as to how to > solve this problem >> > > > would >> > > > be highly appreciated. >> > > > Rafael Bejarano >> > > > On Nov 17, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: >> > > > > Rafael Bejarano wrote: >> > > > > > What is the grouping option supposed to do? I wasn't sure how >> > > > > > to >> > > > > > use > > > it once I enabled it, so I disabled it again. >> > > > > > Rafael Bejarano >> > > > > > > Here's what the Getting Started with VoiceOver manual says >> > > > > > > (page 53): >> > > > > "The VoiceOver cursor typically moves linearly across webpages, >> > > > > from >> > > > > upper left to lower right. Depending on how a webpage was >> > > > > designed, the >> > > > > VoiceOver cursor may seem to move randomly when you navigate in >> > > > > this >> > > > > way. VoiceOver provides some options for improving the >> > > > > navigation >> > > > > experience. 'Group items in web pages' organizes a webpage into >> > > > > related >> > > > > groups of information. For example, all the song titles in a >> > > > > list >> > > > > of > > hot >> > > > > tunes, or an image with an excerpt of a news article. When you >> > > > > choose >> > > > > this option, VoiceOver identifies these as a group. You can skim >> > > > > > >> > > > > > quickly >> > > > > through groups until you hear one that interests you. Each group >> > > > > of >> > > > > information is treated as a content area, so you use the >> > > > > VoiceOver >> > > > > command Control-Option-Shift-Down Arrow to interact with the >> > > > > contents." >> > > > > > > Moving linearly across webpages is rarely an optimal mode of >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > navigation, since the various bits of content on a webpage >> > > > > > > is often > > arranged in a grid-like layout of boxes, which >> > > > > > > might be placed > > side-by-side as well as one beneath >> > > > > > > another. What you want to do, > > ideally, is read >> > > > > > > line-by-line within a particular box, then move onto > > the >> > > > > > > next box. One of the big problems with the VoiceOver/WebKit >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > combination is that the VoiceOver cursor often seems to >> > > > > > > skip >> > > > > > > between > > different boxes so that text is skipped or read >> > > > > > > out of order. My > > impression is the 'Group items in web >> > > > > > > pages' option minimizes this > > problem somewhat, at least >> > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > Tiger with Safari 2. >> > > > > > > -- > > Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
