I have gone to the npr.org page with tiger and safari 2.x and was able to
get far enough into the page so I could listen to streaming broadcasts.
I still have tiger but updated to safari 3.x and haven't gone back and
tried that pae again yet.
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007, David Poehlman wrote:
Fate E complee, but I don't know how it ehaved in tiger with s2. It's a busy
page though.
On Nov 18, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Rafael Bejarano wrote:
Thanks for clarifying. The perplexing thing is that I never had to group
items in order to navigate web pages before installing Safari 3. Moreover,
Safari still skips items sometimes, even with the grouping option activated.
A URL at which the problem has occurred is NPR.org.
Cordially,
Rafael Bejarano
On Nov 18, 2007, at 2:41 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
I think my suggestion was to turn on grouping, use
Shift-Control-Option-Down to enter each group, use Ctrl-Option-Right or
Control-Option-Down to cycle between the items in each group, use
Shift-Shift-Control-Option-Up to exit each group as you finish with it, and
use Control-Option-Right and Control-Option-Down to move on to the next
item or group. Navigation is still unlikely to be perfect, but if you could
provide a URL and example content you skip over that might help us confirm
if it's a bug or something you happen to be doing wrong.
--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Rafael Bejarano wrote:
> Thanks for the info. My initial reason for asking about grouping items is
> that I was trying to solve a problem I'm having with Safari 3 in Tiger.
> In particular, I am finding that VO skips content when I try to navigate
> web pages using VO left- and right-arrow. Any suggestions as to how to
> solve this problem would be highly appreciated.
> Rafael Bejarano
> On Nov 17, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
> > Rafael Bejarano wrote:
> > > What is the grouping option supposed to do? I wasn't sure how to use
> > > it once I enabled it, so I disabled it again.
> > > Rafael Bejarano
> >
> > Here's what the Getting Started with VoiceOver manual says (page 53):
> > "The VoiceOver cursor typically moves linearly across webpages, from
> > upper left to lower right. Depending on how a webpage was designed, the
> > VoiceOver cursor may seem to move randomly when you navigate in this
> > way. VoiceOver provides some options for improving the navigation
> > experience. 'Group items in web pages' organizes a webpage into related
> > groups of information. For example, all the song titles in a list of
> > hot
> > tunes, or an image with an excerpt of a news article. When you choose
> > this option, VoiceOver identifies these as a group. You can skim
> > quickly
> > through groups until you hear one that interests you. Each group of
> > information is treated as a content area, so you use the VoiceOver
> > command Control-Option-Shift-Down Arrow to interact with the contents."
> >
> > Moving linearly across webpages is rarely an optimal mode of
> > navigation, since the various bits of content on a webpage is often
> > arranged in a grid-like layout of boxes, which might be placed
> > side-by-side as well as one beneath another. What you want to do,
> > ideally, is read line-by-line within a particular box, then move onto
> > the next box. One of the big problems with the VoiceOver/WebKit
> > combination is that the VoiceOver cursor often seems to skip between
> > different boxes so that text is skipped or read out of order. My
> > impression is the 'Group items in web pages' option minimizes this
> > problem somewhat, at least in Tiger with Safari 2.
> >
> > --
> > Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
> >
