The problem occurred before I had VO group together items (in the
navigation tab of VO utilities). Specifically, pop-up menus and text
were read unreliably (i.e., skipped sometimes), and if I used the
left arrow to back up, I would end up at the very bottom of the page.
Rafael
On Nov 19, 2007, at 7:20 AM, Cara Quinn wrote:
Can you describe what exactly you mean, when you're saying 'skip
content?'
I visited the page using both types of navigation and saw the same
content...
thanks so much and have a wonderful day!...
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Nov 18, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Rafael Bejarano wrote:
The NPR page can be navigated with Safari 3, also, but be sure you
have the group-items-in-web-pages checkbox checked, or VoiceOver
will skip content. At least, that happens on my iBook G4.
Cordially,
Rafael Bejarano
On Nov 18, 2007, at 3:45 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
I have gone to the npr.org page with tiger and safari 2.x and was
able to get far enough into the page so I could listen to
streaming broadcasts. I still have tiger but updated to safari
3.x and haven't gone back and tried that pae again yet.
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007, David Poehlman wrote:
Fate E complee, but I don't know how it ehaved in tiger with
s2. It's a busy page though.
On Nov 18, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Rafael Bejarano wrote:
Thanks for clarifying. The perplexing thing is that I never had
to group items in order to navigate web pages before installing
Safari 3. Moreover, Safari still skips items sometimes, even
with the grouping option activated.
A URL at which the problem has occurred is NPR.org.
Cordially,
Rafael Bejarano
On Nov 18, 2007, at 2:41 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
I think my suggestion was to turn on grouping, use Shift-
Control-Option-Down to enter each group, use Ctrl-Option-Right
or Control-Option-Down to cycle between the items in each
group, use Shift-Shift-Control-Option-Up to exit each group as
you finish with it, and use Control-Option-Right and Control-
Option-Down to move on to the next item or group. Navigation is
still unlikely to be perfect, but if you could provide a URL
and example content you skip over that might help us confirm if
it's a bug or something you happen to be doing wrong.
--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Rafael Bejarano wrote:
> Thanks for the info. My initial reason for asking about
grouping items is > that I was trying to solve a problem I'm
having with Safari 3 in Tiger. > In particular, I am finding
that VO skips content when I try to navigate > web pages using
VO left- and right-arrow. Any suggestions as to how to > solve
this problem would be highly appreciated.
> Rafael Bejarano
> On Nov 17, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:
> > Rafael Bejarano wrote:
> > > What is the grouping option supposed to do? I wasn't sure
how to use > > > it once I enabled it, so I disabled it again.
> > > Rafael Bejarano
> > > > Here's what the Getting Started with VoiceOver manual
says (page 53):
> > "The VoiceOver cursor typically moves linearly across
webpages, from
> > upper left to lower right. Depending on how a webpage was
designed, the
> > VoiceOver cursor may seem to move randomly when you
navigate in this
> > way. VoiceOver provides some options for improving the
navigation
> > experience. 'Group items in web pages' organizes a webpage
into related
> > groups of information. For example, all the song titles in
a list of > > hot
> > tunes, or an image with an excerpt of a news article. When
you choose
> > this option, VoiceOver identifies these as a group. You can
skim > > quickly
> > through groups until you hear one that interests you. Each
group of
> > information is treated as a content area, so you use the
VoiceOver
> > command Control-Option-Shift-Down Arrow to interact with
the contents."
> > > > Moving linearly across webpages is rarely an optimal
mode of > > navigation, since the various bits of content on a
webpage is often > > arranged in a grid-like layout of boxes,
which might be placed > > side-by-side as well as one beneath
another. What you want to do, > > ideally, is read line-by-line
within a particular box, then move onto > > the next box. One
of the big problems with the VoiceOver/WebKit > > combination
is that the VoiceOver cursor often seems to skip between > >
different boxes so that text is skipped or read out of order.
My > > impression is the 'Group items in web pages' option
minimizes this > > problem somewhat, at least in Tiger with
Safari 2.
> > > > -- > > Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
> >
