Look lets be friends again. Sorry for imposing my views on others. I
know it may be available on Leopard soon, but the question is when
will it be accessible. Clearly you can't answer that and so far no one
on this list can. I am possibly upset because a $15,422.56 purchase of
Pro Tools and various add ons were made for my son and there isn't any
accessibility built in for Windows or Tiger. You are right, I don't
know what you are using and for that statement I apologize. You have
to come up with a better argument than just my grammar. LOL Listen it
is clear that we operate on two sides of the fence and we can't agree
so lets agree to disagree. Josh I shouldn't have made the statement to
you in that way either. I have contacted the makers of Pro Tools and
will set up a meeting to discuss what is needed to make it accessible.
Again I apologize for my wording and actions. I will bow out of this
one and crusade to talking with people that believe in actions and
results rather than e-mails and excuses.
On Jan 9, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Slau wrote:
Actually, Shaun, it'll only be a couple of months before it's
Leopard compatible. voiceOver compatibility is another issue.
Incidentally, I hope, for your sake, that when you communicate with
developers, you check your grammar. If you don't know what I'm
talking about, read your message below.
For your information, I'm not using any equipment that is out of
date. You don't know the first thing about what I use so, again, get
facts straight before you spew.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS
X by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: ProTools: The path to accessibility
I was actually being sarcastic. It doesn't work on Tiger for blind
people and that has been out for 3 years, so I know durn well it
doesn't work on Leopard. Seeing the rate of progression I would
hope it isn't a matter of 16 years before it is Leopard
compatible. I know you have had and is still using it for years
using the Mac and Outspoken. The thing is that you are still using
it now with outdated equipment and software that isn't in
production. Did you get those facts or did they go over your head?
On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Slau wrote:
Shaun,
When you say things like, "Never the less I will wait 16 years
for it to work on Leopard," you probably don't realize how
disjointed and non-sensical that staement is on several levels.
Pro Tools is not Leopard compatible yet, period. you can't even
use it with Leopard if you're a sighted user so stop saying we
can't even use it in Leopard -- nobody can. You will sound
ignorant when saying that to a knowledgeable person. Further,
it's not as if we blind users had nothing for 16 years. There's
an example of ignorance for you. Are you forgetting the fact
that, for many years, blind Mac users could use Pro Tools with
outSPOKEN and were engaged in audio production that blind Windows
users could only dream about? It might help you to get facts
straight before you go spewing blanket statements.
Nice.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
llc.com>
To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac
OS X by theblind" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: ProTools: The path to accessibility
I am not bent on anything, actually I don't even use the
software or have no interest in using it, but my son does. You
fail to understand my point on my business ventures and
financial welth. I built my foundation with the help of my
parents saying a handicap is in your mind. Never the less I will
wait 16 years for it to work on Leopard. My business is now in
training blind people how to use technology. I offer a better
product for less money. I would like to train them on Pro Tools
but as it has been said many times before it can't be done in
this decade. I guess if we handled it your way our grand
children might be able to use it.
On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:20 PM, Slau wrote:
Shaun,
You seem to be bent on this question of whether we can or
cannot use Pro Tools with Tiger. The answer is clearly no. Is
there still any question in your mind? Hopefully not.
Your experience with the maker jof XMJB is fantastic --
congratulations! thing is, working with an individual who is a
tiny developer is not the same as working with a corporation.
do you see the difference?
Since money appears to be no object to you, what is your worry?
hire a sighted assistant to operate a Pro Tools system for you.
Clearly with your business savvy, you'll have no problem
organizing that. You seem to also think that someone's trying
to sell you on an old Mac and a defunct screen reader. Nobody
here is trying to sell you on anything. Hey, while you're
starting up some businesses, why not develop a completely
accessible DAW from the ground up. You'd have a moral purpose
and thousands of customers. What do you say?
