it wasn't meant like that (didn't think of it like that until you mentioned it - thanks), I was just trying to ram home the point that the offer was not one made to take advantage of the space in their time of need for personal gain, but to help the space as much as possible, and at the time most donations took place, it required a lot of goodwill towards and belief in the space to continue donating after (imo) being blasted for doing so repeatedly.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>wrote: > On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:50:03 Craig Bergdorf wrote: > > If i may help summarize the mood as I saw it at the time for those in the > > back, > > > > 48 is still very new, with double the space and a seemingly never ending > > list of projects: member's money is flying out the doors with no end in > > sight, the saying 'give till it hurts, then come back tomorrow' feels > like > > it should be the motto. The word from the treasurer is "we're broke - > > doubt we can afford heat, give me a receipt and i'll.... (magic?)", and > > the calender relentlessly approaches opening day. > > The original estimation about heat was $900 based on the only information I > knew about our MCF rate. It ended up being around $100. I'd be more than > happy > to sit down with you and show the accounting that shows we aren't broke. I > would not be setting lofty goals of the original $1200 membership credit, > $50 > monthly maintenance budget, $150 buildout budget, etc if we were > desperately > seeking funds. > > I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that we are or ever were broke. > When > I started working on the accounting I (imho) had been very transparent and > consistently reiterated that we in fact have a lot more funds than was > previously reported with plenty of evidence. I admit that the evidence was > a > bit murky, but then again, nobody asked me to work with them to understand > it. > > > > > A member everyone loves at the moment generously offers to trade some > space > > for some monthly cash (as if he hasn't donated enough already), and as a > > bonus, extra shelves to use as wall dividers until real walls can be > > afforded. Who could possibly be against such a donation at that time? > > Please don't bring up quantity of contributions as any kind of metric of a > person's value. Please just no. That is a very very bad road to go down. > > > > > /end my mood at the time > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Torrie Fischer > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13:08 Omar Rassi wrote: > > > > My understanding from conversations at the space about this was that > the > > > > racks would have plywood walls built onto them so that they can be > > > > separated from prying eyes and sticky hands. Nothing on those shelves > > > > should concern anyone but the Lessee and legal agents of the lessor. > Is > > > > there a copy of the lease on the documents repo or filed on paper at > > > > Synhak??? I feel as Champion I should at least be familiar with the > > > > > > details > > > > > > > of the lease in order to help protect everyone's interests. > > > > > > No, there is nothing. Some time ago there was a copy sent to bizops@, > but: > > > > > > * There was no board vote > > > * There was no proposal > > > * I've never seen a signed copy > > > * I raised issues with the version sent to bizops@ that were totally > > > ignored > > > > > > Citations: > > > > > > Original question: > > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-January/000053.html > > > > > > Devin posted the lease to bizops@: > > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000066.html > > > > > > Raising issues: > > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000068.html > > > > > > No, there was no vote or proposal: > > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003270.html > > > > > > I am unable to find any mention of a sub-lease in meeting minutes > prior to > > > the > > > above mails. > > > > > > If the lease was signed without any formal discussion or approval, I > would > > > feel that it is a massive breach of trust and possibly not even legally > > > binding. > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Torrie Fischer > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > I am not comfortable with those racks that a board member is (in > > > > > > theory) > > > > > > > > leasing space for. > > > > > > > > > > At today's open house, I saw numerous guests grabbing and poking > > > > > > things. I > > > > > > > > then put up signs and kept an eye on it. Didn't help. I've also > > > > > noticed > > > > > that a few synhak things are on the racks now. > > > > > > > > > > If synhak is somehow liable for those racks, I have some questions > > > > > that > > > > > will be brought up on Tuesday: > > > > > > > > > > When did the board approve such a situation or lease? > > > > > > > > > > Where was the membership discussion about the use of space that > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > contribute to hacking? > > > > > > > > > > Is synhak liable for any damages or stolen equipment? What if some > of > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > stuff ends up there? > > > > > > > > > > If synhak is liable, does that mean the champions are required to > > > > > > police > > > > > > > > the racks? You'll never get members to do that. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Discuss mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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