On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 04:38:02 Andrew Buczko wrote: > " I'd be more than happy to sit down with you and show the accounting that > shows we aren't broke." > > Sit down? Torie you spent a good two weeks running around like > a chicken with it's head cut off saying that our bills where going to be > +$600 a month and that you wanted to Bleed it from the base members by > raising the base membership dues.
Weird. I'm pretty sure I never once said we couldn't afford it. I even made some nice (and thoroughly confusing) reports during meetings that explained how we were going to absorb any massive expense like a $600 gas bill. I really don't want to try and find it in the meeting minutes, but here is the master budget I've kept: http://i.imgur.com/qgqIC53.png If the gnucash accounting records didn't include sensitive information such as when members paid their dues, who is behind on dues, etc, I'd give you a copy of that. I'm more than happy to show you that in person though. > > transparent? ok then I want to see copies of our utility bills. Certainly! February Gas bill: http://i.imgur.com/V9l1jJK.png January Gas bill: https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/attachments/20140205/1d901fdf/attachment-0003.pdf February Trash bill: http://i.imgur.com/1u7w7pc.png I have not yet received a water or electric bill for January due to the landlord not responding to Devin yet: https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000115.html I'm assuming that our Februrary electric bill is on its way and might show up today: https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000095.html However, the online payment system looks like this for February: http://i.imgur.com/mdcZfM0.png I haven't gotten a bill for the internet yet, and here's why: https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-March/000117.html But, here's our monthly rate for it: http://static.synhak.org/documents/bizops/twc/contract-2012.pdf January AWS bill: http://i.imgur.com/hpg2lRz.png February AWS bill: http://i.imgur.com/lBgSm9h.png Our rent is a static $500/mo. The only reason I don't consistently publicize those is because I don't think the benefit of keeping anything more than three months of paper copies outweighs the disk space, time spent scanning, etc. Anything else you'd like to see? > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:17 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > > I was under the apparently misinformed impression that this had been > > brought up as a proper proposal. This needs to be rectified posthaste. As > > Torrie brought up changes to the way SynHak operates need to be approved > > by > > member and/or board consensus.As Omar correctly brought up any legal > > agreement with SynHak needs to be on file to ensure obligations are being > > met. > > > > regards, > > Andrew L > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> wrote: > >> it wasn't meant like that (didn't think of it like that until you > >> mentioned it - thanks), I was just trying to ram home the point that the > >> offer was not one made to take advantage of the space in their time of > >> need > >> for personal gain, but to help the space as much as possible, and at the > >> time most donations took place, it required a lot of goodwill towards and > >> belief in the space to continue donating after (imo) being blasted for > >> doing so repeatedly. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected] > >> > >> > wrote: > >>> On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:50:03 Craig Bergdorf wrote: > >>> > If i may help summarize the mood as I saw it at the time for those in > >>> > >>> the > >>> > >>> > back, > >>> > > >>> > 48 is still very new, with double the space and a seemingly never > >>> > >>> ending > >>> > >>> > list of projects: member's money is flying out the doors with no end > >>> > in > >>> > sight, the saying 'give till it hurts, then come back tomorrow' feels > >>> > >>> like > >>> > >>> > it should be the motto. The word from the treasurer is "we're broke - > >>> > doubt we can afford heat, give me a receipt and i'll.... (magic?)", > >>> > >>> and > >>> > >>> > the calender relentlessly approaches opening day. > >>> > >>> The original estimation about heat was $900 based on the only > >>> information I > >>> knew about our MCF rate. It ended up being around $100. I'd be more than > >>> happy > >>> to sit down with you and show the accounting that shows we aren't broke. > >>> I > >>> would not be setting lofty goals of the original $1200 membership > >>> credit, $50 > >>> monthly maintenance budget, $150 buildout budget, etc if we were > >>> desperately > >>> seeking funds. > >>> > >>> I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that we are or ever were > >>> broke. When > >>> I started working on the accounting I (imho) had been very transparent > >>> and > >>> consistently reiterated that we in fact have a lot more funds than was > >>> previously reported with plenty of evidence. I admit that the evidence > >>> was a > >>> bit murky, but then again, nobody asked me to work with them to > >>> understand it. > >>> > >>> > A member everyone loves at the moment generously offers to trade some > >>> > >>> space > >>> > >>> > for some monthly cash (as if he hasn't donated enough already), and as > >>> > >>> a > >>> > >>> > bonus, extra shelves to use as wall dividers until real walls can be > >>> > afforded. Who could possibly be against such a donation at that time? > >>> > >>> Please don't bring up quantity of contributions as any kind of metric of > >>> a > >>> person's value. Please just no. That is a very very bad road to go down. > >>> > >>> > /end my mood at the time > >>> > > >>> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Torrie Fischer > >>> > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>> > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13:08 Omar Rassi wrote: > >>> > > > My understanding from conversations at the space about this was > >>> > >>> that the > >>> > >>> > > > racks would have plywood walls built onto them so that they can be > >>> > > > separated from prying eyes and sticky hands. Nothing on those > >>> > >>> shelves > >>> > >>> > > > should concern anyone but the Lessee and legal agents of the > >>> > >>> lessor. Is > >>> > >>> > > > there a copy of the lease on the documents repo or filed on paper > >>> > >>> at > >>> > >>> > > > Synhak??? I feel as Champion I should at least be familiar with > >>> > > > the > >>> > > > >>> > > details > >>> > > > >>> > > > of the lease in order to help protect everyone's interests. > >>> > > > >>> > > No, there is nothing. Some time ago there was a copy sent to > >>> > > bizops@, > >>> > >>> but: > >>> > > * There was no board vote > >>> > > * There was no proposal > >>> > > * I've never seen a signed copy > >>> > > * I raised issues with the version sent to bizops@ that were totally > >>> > > ignored > >>> > > > >>> > > Citations: > >>> > > > >>> > > Original question: > >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-January/000053.html > >>> > > > >>> > > Devin posted the lease to bizops@: > >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000066.html > >>> > > > >>> > > Raising issues: > >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000068.html > >>> > > > >>> > > No, there was no vote or proposal: > >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003270.html > >>> > > > >>> > > I am unable to find any mention of a sub-lease in meeting minutes > >>> > >>> prior to > >>> > >>> > > the > >>> > > above mails. > >>> > > > >>> > > If the lease was signed without any formal discussion or approval, I > >>> > >>> would > >>> > >>> > > feel that it is a massive breach of trust and possibly not even > >>> > >>> legally > >>> > >>> > > binding. > >>> > > > >>> > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Torrie Fischer > >>> > > > >>> > > <[email protected]>wrote: > >>> > > > > I am not comfortable with those racks that a board member is (in > >>> > > > >>> > > theory) > >>> > > > >>> > > > > leasing space for. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > At today's open house, I saw numerous guests grabbing and poking > >>> > > > >>> > > things. I > >>> > > > >>> > > > > then put up signs and kept an eye on it. Didn't help. I've also > >>> > > > > noticed > >>> > > > > that a few synhak things are on the racks now. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > If synhak is somehow liable for those racks, I have some > >>> > >>> questions > >>> > >>> > > > > that > >>> > > > > will be brought up on Tuesday: > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > When did the board approve such a situation or lease? > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Where was the membership discussion about the use of space that > >>> > >>> does > >>> > >>> > > not > >>> > > > >>> > > > > contribute to hacking? > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Is synhak liable for any damages or stolen equipment? What if > >>> > >>> some of > >>> > >>> > > our > >>> > > > >>> > > > > stuff ends up there? > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > If synhak is liable, does that mean the champions are required > >>> > > > > to > >>> > > > >>> > > police > >>> > > > >>> > > > > the racks? 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