" I'd be more than happy to sit down with you and show the accounting that shows we aren't broke."
Sit down? Torie you spent a good two weeks running around like a chicken with it's head cut off saying that our bills where going to be +$600 a month and that you wanted to Bleed it from the base members by raising the base membership dues. transparent? ok then I want to see copies of our utility bills. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:17 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > I was under the apparently misinformed impression that this had been > brought up as a proper proposal. This needs to be rectified posthaste. As > Torrie brought up changes to the way SynHak operates need to be approved by > member and/or board consensus.As Omar correctly brought up any legal > agreement with SynHak needs to be on file to ensure obligations are being > met. > > regards, > Andrew L > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> wrote: > >> it wasn't meant like that (didn't think of it like that until you >> mentioned it - thanks), I was just trying to ram home the point that the >> offer was not one made to take advantage of the space in their time of need >> for personal gain, but to help the space as much as possible, and at the >> time most donations took place, it required a lot of goodwill towards and >> belief in the space to continue donating after (imo) being blasted for >> doing so repeatedly. >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:50:03 Craig Bergdorf wrote: >>> > If i may help summarize the mood as I saw it at the time for those in >>> the >>> > back, >>> > >>> > 48 is still very new, with double the space and a seemingly never >>> ending >>> > list of projects: member's money is flying out the doors with no end in >>> > sight, the saying 'give till it hurts, then come back tomorrow' feels >>> like >>> > it should be the motto. The word from the treasurer is "we're broke - >>> > doubt we can afford heat, give me a receipt and i'll.... (magic?)", >>> and >>> > the calender relentlessly approaches opening day. >>> >>> The original estimation about heat was $900 based on the only >>> information I >>> knew about our MCF rate. It ended up being around $100. I'd be more than >>> happy >>> to sit down with you and show the accounting that shows we aren't broke. >>> I >>> would not be setting lofty goals of the original $1200 membership >>> credit, $50 >>> monthly maintenance budget, $150 buildout budget, etc if we were >>> desperately >>> seeking funds. >>> >>> I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that we are or ever were >>> broke. When >>> I started working on the accounting I (imho) had been very transparent >>> and >>> consistently reiterated that we in fact have a lot more funds than was >>> previously reported with plenty of evidence. I admit that the evidence >>> was a >>> bit murky, but then again, nobody asked me to work with them to >>> understand it. >>> >>> > >>> > A member everyone loves at the moment generously offers to trade some >>> space >>> > for some monthly cash (as if he hasn't donated enough already), and as >>> a >>> > bonus, extra shelves to use as wall dividers until real walls can be >>> > afforded. Who could possibly be against such a donation at that time? >>> >>> Please don't bring up quantity of contributions as any kind of metric of >>> a >>> person's value. Please just no. That is a very very bad road to go down. >>> >>> > >>> > /end my mood at the time >>> > >>> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Torrie Fischer >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13:08 Omar Rassi wrote: >>> > > > My understanding from conversations at the space about this was >>> that the >>> > > > racks would have plywood walls built onto them so that they can be >>> > > > separated from prying eyes and sticky hands. Nothing on those >>> shelves >>> > > > should concern anyone but the Lessee and legal agents of the >>> lessor. Is >>> > > > there a copy of the lease on the documents repo or filed on paper >>> at >>> > > > Synhak??? I feel as Champion I should at least be familiar with the >>> > > >>> > > details >>> > > >>> > > > of the lease in order to help protect everyone's interests. >>> > > >>> > > No, there is nothing. Some time ago there was a copy sent to bizops@, >>> but: >>> > > >>> > > * There was no board vote >>> > > * There was no proposal >>> > > * I've never seen a signed copy >>> > > * I raised issues with the version sent to bizops@ that were totally >>> > > ignored >>> > > >>> > > Citations: >>> > > >>> > > Original question: >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-January/000053.html >>> > > >>> > > Devin posted the lease to bizops@: >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000066.html >>> > > >>> > > Raising issues: >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000068.html >>> > > >>> > > No, there was no vote or proposal: >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003270.html >>> > > >>> > > I am unable to find any mention of a sub-lease in meeting minutes >>> prior to >>> > > the >>> > > above mails. >>> > > >>> > > If the lease was signed without any formal discussion or approval, I >>> would >>> > > feel that it is a massive breach of trust and possibly not even >>> legally >>> > > binding. >>> > > >>> > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Torrie Fischer >>> > > >>> > > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> > > > > I am not comfortable with those racks that a board member is (in >>> > > >>> > > theory) >>> > > >>> > > > > leasing space for. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > At today's open house, I saw numerous guests grabbing and poking >>> > > >>> > > things. I >>> > > >>> > > > > then put up signs and kept an eye on it. Didn't help. I've also >>> > > > > noticed >>> > > > > that a few synhak things are on the racks now. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > If synhak is somehow liable for those racks, I have some >>> questions >>> > > > > that >>> > > > > will be brought up on Tuesday: >>> > > > > >>> > > > > When did the board approve such a situation or lease? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Where was the membership discussion about the use of space that >>> does >>> > > >>> > > not >>> > > >>> > > > > contribute to hacking? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Is synhak liable for any damages or stolen equipment? What if >>> some of >>> > > >>> > > our >>> > > >>> > > > > stuff ends up there? >>> > > > > >>> > > > > If synhak is liable, does that mean the champions are required to >>> > > >>> > > police >>> > > >>> > > > > the racks? You'll never get members to do that. >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > > Discuss mailing list >>> > > > > [email protected] >>> > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Discuss mailing list >>> > > [email protected] >>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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