Yeah, February's gas bill is only $227.90 why do you say that February's bill is $400.00? Where did you get that figure?
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>wrote: > On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 04:38:02 Andrew Buczko wrote: > > " I'd be more than happy to sit down with you and show the accounting > that > > shows we aren't broke." > > > > Sit down? Torie you spent a good two weeks running around like > > a chicken with it's head cut off saying that our bills where going to be > > +$600 a month and that you wanted to Bleed it from the base members by > > raising the base membership dues. > > Weird. I'm pretty sure I never once said we couldn't afford it. I even made > some nice (and thoroughly confusing) reports during meetings that explained > how we were going to absorb any massive expense like a $600 gas bill. I > really > don't want to try and find it in the meeting minutes, but here is the > master > budget I've kept: > > http://i.imgur.com/qgqIC53.png > > If the gnucash accounting records didn't include sensitive information > such as > when members paid their dues, who is behind on dues, etc, I'd give you a > copy > of that. I'm more than happy to show you that in person though. > > > > > transparent? ok then I want to see copies of our utility bills. > > Certainly! > > February Gas bill: > http://i.imgur.com/V9l1jJK.png > > January Gas bill: > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/attachments/20140205/1d901fdf/attachment-0003.pdf > > February Trash bill: > http://i.imgur.com/1u7w7pc.png > > I have not yet received a water or electric bill for January due to the > landlord not responding to Devin yet: > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000115.html > > I'm assuming that our Februrary electric bill is on its way and might show > up > today: > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000095.html > > However, the online payment system looks like this for February: > http://i.imgur.com/mdcZfM0.png > > I haven't gotten a bill for the internet yet, and here's why: > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-March/000117.html > > But, here's our monthly rate for it: > http://static.synhak.org/documents/bizops/twc/contract-2012.pdf > > January AWS bill: > http://i.imgur.com/hpg2lRz.png > > February AWS bill: > http://i.imgur.com/lBgSm9h.png > > Our rent is a static $500/mo. > > The only reason I don't consistently publicize those is because I don't > think > the benefit of keeping anything more than three months of paper copies > outweighs the disk space, time spent scanning, etc. > > Anything else you'd like to see? > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:17 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I was under the apparently misinformed impression that this had been > > > brought up as a proper proposal. This needs to be rectified posthaste. > As > > > Torrie brought up changes to the way SynHak operates need to be > approved > > > by > > > member and/or board consensus.As Omar correctly brought up any legal > > > agreement with SynHak needs to be on file to ensure obligations are > being > > > met. > > > > > > regards, > > > Andrew L > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> it wasn't meant like that (didn't think of it like that until you > > >> mentioned it - thanks), I was just trying to ram home the point that > the > > >> offer was not one made to take advantage of the space in their time of > > >> need > > >> for personal gain, but to help the space as much as possible, and at > the > > >> time most donations took place, it required a lot of goodwill towards > and > > >> belief in the space to continue donating after (imo) being blasted for > > >> doing so repeatedly. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Torrie Fischer < > [email protected] > > >> > > >> > wrote: > > >>> On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:50:03 Craig Bergdorf wrote: > > >>> > If i may help summarize the mood as I saw it at the time for those > in > > >>> > > >>> the > > >>> > > >>> > back, > > >>> > > > >>> > 48 is still very new, with double the space and a seemingly never > > >>> > > >>> ending > > >>> > > >>> > list of projects: member's money is flying out the doors with no > end > > >>> > in > > >>> > sight, the saying 'give till it hurts, then come back tomorrow' > feels > > >>> > > >>> like > > >>> > > >>> > it should be the motto. The word from the treasurer is "we're > broke - > > >>> > doubt we can afford heat, give me a receipt and i'll.... > (magic?)", > > >>> > > >>> and > > >>> > > >>> > the calender relentlessly approaches opening day. > > >>> > > >>> The original estimation about heat was $900 based on the only > > >>> information I > > >>> knew about our MCF rate. It ended up being around $100. I'd be more > than > > >>> happy > > >>> to sit down with you and show the accounting that shows we aren't > broke. > > >>> I > > >>> would not be setting lofty goals of the original $1200 membership > > >>> credit, $50 > > >>> monthly maintenance budget, $150 buildout budget, etc if we were > > >>> desperately > > >>> seeking funds. > > >>> > > >>> I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that we are or ever were > > >>> broke. When > > >>> I started working on the accounting I (imho) had been very > transparent > > >>> and > > >>> consistently reiterated that we in fact have a lot more funds than > was > > >>> previously reported with plenty of evidence. I admit that the > evidence > > >>> was a > > >>> bit murky, but then again, nobody asked me to work with them to > > >>> understand it. > > >>> > > >>> > A member everyone loves at the moment generously offers to trade > some > > >>> > > >>> space > > >>> > > >>> > for some monthly cash (as if he hasn't donated enough already), > and as > > >>> > > >>> a > > >>> > > >>> > bonus, extra shelves to use as wall dividers until real walls can > be > > >>> > afforded. Who could possibly be against such a donation at that > time? > > >>> > > >>> Please don't bring up quantity of contributions as any kind of > metric of > > >>> a > > >>> person's value. Please just no. That is a very very bad road to go > down. > > >>> > > >>> > /end my mood at the time > > >>> > > > >>> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Torrie Fischer > > >>> > > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13:08 Omar Rassi wrote: > > >>> > > > My understanding from conversations at the space about this was > > >>> > > >>> that the > > >>> > > >>> > > > racks would have plywood walls built onto them so that they > can be > > >>> > > > separated from prying eyes and sticky hands. Nothing on those > > >>> > > >>> shelves > > >>> > > >>> > > > should concern anyone but the Lessee and legal agents of the > > >>> > > >>> lessor. Is > > >>> > > >>> > > > there a copy of the lease on the documents repo or filed on > paper > > >>> > > >>> at > > >>> > > >>> > > > Synhak??? I feel as Champion I should at least be familiar with > > >>> > > > the > > >>> > > > > >>> > > details > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > of the lease in order to help protect everyone's interests. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > No, there is nothing. Some time ago there was a copy sent to > > >>> > > bizops@, > > >>> > > >>> but: > > >>> > > * There was no board vote > > >>> > > * There was no proposal > > >>> > > * I've never seen a signed copy > > >>> > > * I raised issues with the version sent to bizops@ that were > totally > > >>> > > ignored > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Citations: > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Original question: > > >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-January/000053.html > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Devin posted the lease to bizops@: > > >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000066.html > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Raising issues: > > >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000068.html > > >>> > > > > >>> > > No, there was no vote or proposal: > > >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003270.html > > >>> > > > > >>> > > I am unable to find any mention of a sub-lease in meeting minutes > > >>> > > >>> prior to > > >>> > > >>> > > the > > >>> > > above mails. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > If the lease was signed without any formal discussion or > approval, I > > >>> > > >>> would > > >>> > > >>> > > feel that it is a massive breach of trust and possibly not even > > >>> > > >>> legally > > >>> > > >>> > > binding. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Torrie Fischer > > >>> > > > > >>> > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> > > > > I am not comfortable with those racks that a board member is > (in > > >>> > > > > >>> > > theory) > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > leasing space for. > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > At today's open house, I saw numerous guests grabbing and > poking > > >>> > > > > >>> > > things. I > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > then put up signs and kept an eye on it. Didn't help. I've > also > > >>> > > > > noticed > > >>> > > > > that a few synhak things are on the racks now. > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > If synhak is somehow liable for those racks, I have some > > >>> > > >>> questions > > >>> > > >>> > > > > that > > >>> > > > > will be brought up on Tuesday: > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > When did the board approve such a situation or lease? > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Where was the membership discussion about the use of space > that > > >>> > > >>> does > > >>> > > >>> > > not > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > contribute to hacking? > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > Is synhak liable for any damages or stolen equipment? What if > > >>> > > >>> some of > > >>> > > >>> > > our > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > stuff ends up there? > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > If synhak is liable, does that mean the champions are > required > > >>> > > > > to > > >>> > > > > >>> > > police > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > the racks? You'll never get members to do that. > > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > > > > Discuss mailing list > > >>> > > > > [email protected] > > >>> > > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >>> > > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > > Discuss mailing list > > >>> > > [email protected] > > >>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Discuss mailing list > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Discuss mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >
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