This is starting to sound like a different topic than the leased racks, please continue this in a new thread. On Mar 5, 2014 6:34 AM, "Andrew Buczko" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yeah, February's gas bill is only $227.90 why do you say that February's > bill is $400.00? Where did you get that figure? > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Torrie Fischer > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 04:38:02 Andrew Buczko wrote: >> > " I'd be more than happy to sit down with you and show the accounting >> that >> > shows we aren't broke." >> > >> > Sit down? Torie you spent a good two weeks running around like >> > a chicken with it's head cut off saying that our bills where going to be >> > +$600 a month and that you wanted to Bleed it from the base members by >> > raising the base membership dues. >> >> Weird. I'm pretty sure I never once said we couldn't afford it. I even >> made >> some nice (and thoroughly confusing) reports during meetings that >> explained >> how we were going to absorb any massive expense like a $600 gas bill. I >> really >> don't want to try and find it in the meeting minutes, but here is the >> master >> budget I've kept: >> >> http://i.imgur.com/qgqIC53.png >> >> If the gnucash accounting records didn't include sensitive information >> such as >> when members paid their dues, who is behind on dues, etc, I'd give you a >> copy >> of that. I'm more than happy to show you that in person though. >> >> > >> > transparent? ok then I want to see copies of our utility bills. >> >> Certainly! >> >> February Gas bill: >> http://i.imgur.com/V9l1jJK.png >> >> January Gas bill: >> >> https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/attachments/20140205/1d901fdf/attachment-0003.pdf >> >> February Trash bill: >> http://i.imgur.com/1u7w7pc.png >> >> I have not yet received a water or electric bill for January due to the >> landlord not responding to Devin yet: >> https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000115.html >> >> I'm assuming that our Februrary electric bill is on its way and might >> show up >> today: >> https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000095.html >> >> However, the online payment system looks like this for February: >> http://i.imgur.com/mdcZfM0.png >> >> I haven't gotten a bill for the internet yet, and here's why: >> https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-March/000117.html >> >> But, here's our monthly rate for it: >> http://static.synhak.org/documents/bizops/twc/contract-2012.pdf >> >> January AWS bill: >> http://i.imgur.com/hpg2lRz.png >> >> February AWS bill: >> http://i.imgur.com/lBgSm9h.png >> >> Our rent is a static $500/mo. >> >> The only reason I don't consistently publicize those is because I don't >> think >> the benefit of keeping anything more than three months of paper copies >> outweighs the disk space, time spent scanning, etc. >> >> Anything else you'd like to see? >> >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 5:17 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > I was under the apparently misinformed impression that this had been >> > > brought up as a proper proposal. This needs to be rectified >> posthaste. As >> > > Torrie brought up changes to the way SynHak operates need to be >> approved >> > > by >> > > member and/or board consensus.As Omar correctly brought up any legal >> > > agreement with SynHak needs to be on file to ensure obligations are >> being >> > > met. >> > > >> > > regards, >> > > Andrew L >> > > >> > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> it wasn't meant like that (didn't think of it like that until you >> > >> mentioned it - thanks), I was just trying to ram home the point that >> the >> > >> offer was not one made to take advantage of the space in their time >> of >> > >> need >> > >> for personal gain, but to help the space as much as possible, and at >> the >> > >> time most donations took place, it required a lot of goodwill >> towards and >> > >> belief in the space to continue donating after (imo) being blasted >> for >> > >> doing so repeatedly. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Torrie Fischer < >> [email protected] >> > >> >> > >> > wrote: >> > >>> On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:50:03 Craig Bergdorf wrote: >> > >>> > If i may help summarize the mood as I saw it at the time for >> those in >> > >>> >> > >>> the >> > >>> >> > >>> > back, >> > >>> > >> > >>> > 48 is still very new, with double the space and a seemingly never >> > >>> >> > >>> ending >> > >>> >> > >>> > list of projects: member's money is flying out the doors with no >> end >> > >>> > in >> > >>> > sight, the saying 'give till it hurts, then come back tomorrow' >> feels >> > >>> >> > >>> like >> > >>> >> > >>> > it should be the motto. The word from the treasurer is "we're >> broke - >> > >>> > doubt we can afford heat, give me a receipt and i'll.... >> (magic?)", >> > >>> >> > >>> and >> > >>> >> > >>> > the calender relentlessly approaches opening day. >> > >>> >> > >>> The original estimation about heat was $900 based on the only >> > >>> information I >> > >>> knew about our MCF rate. It ended up being around $100. I'd be more >> than >> > >>> happy >> > >>> to sit down with you and show the accounting that shows we aren't >> broke. >> > >>> I >> > >>> would not be setting lofty goals of the original $1200 membership >> > >>> credit, $50 >> > >>> monthly maintenance budget, $150 buildout budget, etc if we were >> > >>> desperately >> > >>> seeking funds. >> > >>> >> > >>> I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that we are or ever were >> > >>> broke. When >> > >>> I started working on the accounting I (imho) had been very >> transparent >> > >>> and >> > >>> consistently reiterated that we in fact have a lot more funds than >> was >> > >>> previously reported with plenty of evidence. I admit that the >> evidence >> > >>> was a >> > >>> bit murky, but then again, nobody asked me to work with them to >> > >>> understand it. >> > >>> >> > >>> > A member everyone loves at the moment generously offers to trade >> some >> > >>> >> > >>> space >> > >>> >> > >>> > for some monthly cash (as if he hasn't donated enough already), >> and as >> > >>> >> > >>> a >> > >>> >> > >>> > bonus, extra shelves to use as wall dividers until real walls can >> be >> > >>> > afforded. Who could possibly be against such a donation at that >> time? >> > >>> >> > >>> Please don't bring up quantity of contributions as any kind of >> metric of >> > >>> a >> > >>> person's value. Please just no. That is a very very bad road to go >> down. >> > >>> >> > >>> > /end my mood at the time >> > >>> > >> > >>> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Torrie Fischer >> > >>> >> > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >>> > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13:08 Omar Rassi wrote: >> > >>> > > > My understanding from conversations at the space about this >> was >> > >>> >> > >>> that the >> > >>> >> > >>> > > > racks would have plywood walls built onto them so that they >> can be >> > >>> > > > separated from prying eyes and sticky hands. Nothing on those >> > >>> >> > >>> shelves >> > >>> >> > >>> > > > should concern anyone but the Lessee and legal agents of the >> > >>> >> > >>> lessor. Is >> > >>> >> > >>> > > > there a copy of the lease on the documents repo or filed on >> paper >> > >>> >> > >>> at >> > >>> >> > >>> > > > Synhak??? I feel as Champion I should at least be familiar >> with >> > >>> > > > the >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > details >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > of the lease in order to help protect everyone's interests. >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > No, there is nothing. Some time ago there was a copy sent to >> > >>> > > bizops@, >> > >>> >> > >>> but: >> > >>> > > * There was no board vote >> > >>> > > * There was no proposal >> > >>> > > * I've never seen a signed copy >> > >>> > > * I raised issues with the version sent to bizops@ that were >> totally >> > >>> > > ignored >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > Citations: >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > Original question: >> > >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-January/000053.html >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > Devin posted the lease to bizops@: >> > >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000066.html >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > Raising issues: >> > >>> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000068.html >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > No, there was no vote or proposal: >> > >>> > > >> https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003270.html >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > I am unable to find any mention of a sub-lease in meeting >> minutes >> > >>> >> > >>> prior to >> > >>> >> > >>> > > the >> > >>> > > above mails. >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > If the lease was signed without any formal discussion or >> approval, I >> > >>> >> > >>> would >> > >>> >> > >>> > > feel that it is a massive breach of trust and possibly not even >> > >>> >> > >>> legally >> > >>> >> > >>> > > binding. >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Torrie Fischer >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >>> > > > > I am not comfortable with those racks that a board member >> is (in >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > theory) >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > > leasing space for. >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > At today's open house, I saw numerous guests grabbing and >> poking >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > things. I >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > > then put up signs and kept an eye on it. Didn't help. I've >> also >> > >>> > > > > noticed >> > >>> > > > > that a few synhak things are on the racks now. >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > If synhak is somehow liable for those racks, I have some >> > >>> >> > >>> questions >> > >>> >> > >>> > > > > that >> > >>> > > > > will be brought up on Tuesday: >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > When did the board approve such a situation or lease? >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > Where was the membership discussion about the use of space >> that >> > >>> >> > >>> does >> > >>> >> > >>> > > not >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > > contribute to hacking? >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > Is synhak liable for any damages or stolen equipment? What >> if >> > >>> >> > >>> some of >> > >>> >> > >>> > > our >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > > stuff ends up there? >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > If synhak is liable, does that mean the champions are >> required >> > >>> > > > > to >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > police >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > > the racks? 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