I was under the apparently misinformed impression that this had been brought up as a proper proposal. This needs to be rectified posthaste. As Torrie brought up changes to the way SynHak operates need to be approved by member and/or board consensus.As Omar correctly brought up any legal agreement with SynHak needs to be on file to ensure obligations are being met.
regards, Andrew L On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Craig Bergdorf <[email protected]> wrote: > it wasn't meant like that (didn't think of it like that until you > mentioned it - thanks), I was just trying to ram home the point that the > offer was not one made to take advantage of the space in their time of need > for personal gain, but to help the space as much as possible, and at the > time most donations took place, it required a lot of goodwill towards and > belief in the space to continue donating after (imo) being blasted for > doing so repeatedly. > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Torrie Fischer > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:50:03 Craig Bergdorf wrote: >> > If i may help summarize the mood as I saw it at the time for those in >> the >> > back, >> > >> > 48 is still very new, with double the space and a seemingly never ending >> > list of projects: member's money is flying out the doors with no end in >> > sight, the saying 'give till it hurts, then come back tomorrow' feels >> like >> > it should be the motto. The word from the treasurer is "we're broke - >> > doubt we can afford heat, give me a receipt and i'll.... (magic?)", and >> > the calender relentlessly approaches opening day. >> >> The original estimation about heat was $900 based on the only information >> I >> knew about our MCF rate. It ended up being around $100. I'd be more than >> happy >> to sit down with you and show the accounting that shows we aren't broke. I >> would not be setting lofty goals of the original $1200 membership credit, >> $50 >> monthly maintenance budget, $150 buildout budget, etc if we were >> desperately >> seeking funds. >> >> I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that we are or ever were broke. >> When >> I started working on the accounting I (imho) had been very transparent and >> consistently reiterated that we in fact have a lot more funds than was >> previously reported with plenty of evidence. I admit that the evidence >> was a >> bit murky, but then again, nobody asked me to work with them to >> understand it. >> >> > >> > A member everyone loves at the moment generously offers to trade some >> space >> > for some monthly cash (as if he hasn't donated enough already), and as a >> > bonus, extra shelves to use as wall dividers until real walls can be >> > afforded. Who could possibly be against such a donation at that time? >> >> Please don't bring up quantity of contributions as any kind of metric of a >> person's value. Please just no. That is a very very bad road to go down. >> >> > >> > /end my mood at the time >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Torrie Fischer >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> > > On Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13:08 Omar Rassi wrote: >> > > > My understanding from conversations at the space about this was >> that the >> > > > racks would have plywood walls built onto them so that they can be >> > > > separated from prying eyes and sticky hands. Nothing on those >> shelves >> > > > should concern anyone but the Lessee and legal agents of the >> lessor. Is >> > > > there a copy of the lease on the documents repo or filed on paper at >> > > > Synhak??? I feel as Champion I should at least be familiar with the >> > > >> > > details >> > > >> > > > of the lease in order to help protect everyone's interests. >> > > >> > > No, there is nothing. Some time ago there was a copy sent to bizops@, >> but: >> > > >> > > * There was no board vote >> > > * There was no proposal >> > > * I've never seen a signed copy >> > > * I raised issues with the version sent to bizops@ that were totally >> > > ignored >> > > >> > > Citations: >> > > >> > > Original question: >> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-January/000053.html >> > > >> > > Devin posted the lease to bizops@: >> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000066.html >> > > >> > > Raising issues: >> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/000068.html >> > > >> > > No, there was no vote or proposal: >> > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003270.html >> > > >> > > I am unable to find any mention of a sub-lease in meeting minutes >> prior to >> > > the >> > > above mails. >> > > >> > > If the lease was signed without any formal discussion or approval, I >> would >> > > feel that it is a massive breach of trust and possibly not even >> legally >> > > binding. >> > > >> > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Torrie Fischer >> > > >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > > > > I am not comfortable with those racks that a board member is (in >> > > >> > > theory) >> > > >> > > > > leasing space for. >> > > > > >> > > > > At today's open house, I saw numerous guests grabbing and poking >> > > >> > > things. I >> > > >> > > > > then put up signs and kept an eye on it. Didn't help. I've also >> > > > > noticed >> > > > > that a few synhak things are on the racks now. >> > > > > >> > > > > If synhak is somehow liable for those racks, I have some questions >> > > > > that >> > > > > will be brought up on Tuesday: >> > > > > >> > > > > When did the board approve such a situation or lease? >> > > > > >> > > > > Where was the membership discussion about the use of space that >> does >> > > >> > > not >> > > >> > > > > contribute to hacking? >> > > > > >> > > > > Is synhak liable for any damages or stolen equipment? What if >> some of >> > > >> > > our >> > > >> > > > > stuff ends up there? >> > > > > >> > > > > If synhak is liable, does that mean the champions are required to >> > > >> > > police >> > > >> > > > > the racks? 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