On 12/10/20 6:01 PM, Kurt Andersen (b) wrote:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 5:03 PM Dave Crocker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    On 12/10/2020 4:46 PM, Kurt Andersen (b) wrote:
    to quibble with the "*unauthorized use*"  situation. This
    situation devolves into use-as-imagined vs. use-as-really-used
    when one considers various intermediary scenarios.

    (to respond to the content...)

    So, the driving issue is that it's characterizing problematic
    usage; use that did not achieve a DMARC pass.

    And, yeah, that doesn't mean the use was unauthorized, given the
    other possible explanations for failure.

    So, without suggesting a label, I'd describe this factor as "how
    serious is a failure to get a DMARC pass"?  If that's the right
    semantic, what's a reasonable label to use?  If it's not the right
    semantic, what is?

I think that is much closer to the right semantic but highlights a problem that the mail coming from a particular domain probably doesn't rate a single broad-brush characterization of seriousness.

I think this all should be driven by "what are you asking me to do?". p=quarantine is asking for a specific thing, but it doesn't seem to mean literally what it's asking for. it seems to mean "i'm not comfortable with this except in certain situations that i can't enumerate with any accuracy". maybe p=quarantine is my "only if you trust the intermediary" state I was talking about the other day.

Mike

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