On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 10:16:46 +0200 Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote:
> El 09/08/17 a les 09:13, Edward Bartolo ha escrit: > > Using this 'resource' will do a disservice to Devuan. Anyone serious > > enough to read it will get the wrong impression that Devuan is some > > 'amateur' distribution not worthy of wasting professional hours on > > it. Scientific and technical text must at all costs avoid > > opinionated writing but this resource does the opposite. As said > > earlier, there is no objective comparism between the different > > inits. > > If reaching perfection is a requirement, important things will not be > reached. > Imagine Devuan 1.0 without still being released because of Gnome lack. I agree with you and Edward, and furthermore refuse to see connection between PID1 and the cgroups feature as something necessarily desireable. It's not like before systemd, I felt there was something wrong with any of my systems that could have been fixed by such a connection. As Edward and Narcis both say, perfection can't be reached. I take one step farther, and say that not only is a PID1/cgroups connection not perfection, but its utility is helpful only in edge cases. And I agree with Edward that the mere discussion of cgroups bends the discussion in a systemd kind of way, because it's always discussed as a necessity or at least a good thing. Cgroups is for restricting/monitoring resources for groups of processes. Very necessary for Google and perhaps for containers, but not for PID1s. It's been at least 10 years since an out of control resource-hog process locked me out of my computer in such a way I was forced to reboot, and I've never used systemd. On a dare I once ran a C no output, no sleep forever loop at nice -19, and I was still able to step in and take control. The way things are today, the mere discussion of cgroups as a desireable thing in an init horribly distorts the situation. Like Edward and Narcis said. SteveT Steve Litt July 2017 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng