Wayne (and ecolog):
There are a couple starting references that might be of interest to you 
regarding foundations and specific techniques of permaculture.

Mollison, Bill. 1988. Permaculture: A Designer's Manual. Australia: Tagari 
Publications.

Hemenway, Toby. 2000. Gaia's garden: A guide to home-scale permaculture. 
Vermont: Chelsea Green Publishing.

Many more are available here: 
http://www.permaculture-media-download.com/2011/11/best-permaculture-homesteading-books.html

These books go into great detail about the foundations of permaculture, which 
uses patterning principles from systems ecology, and concepts like niches, 
succession and nutrient cycling from ecology. They also describe most of the 
commonly used techniques in permaculture, including things like rainwater 
harvesting and water retention on the landscape, guild polyculture planting, 
and earthworks to retain moisture and soil fertility. These techniques are by 
no means secret, trademarked, or costly; many of the techniques can be found 
for free online, in places like www.permies.com<http://www.permies.com>, 
www.oasisdesign.net<http://www.oasisdesign.net> (see this section on greywater: 
http://www.oasisdesign.net/greywater/misinfo/index.htm), 
permaculture.org.au<http://permaculture.org.au> (see this section on swales as 
a water-retention technique: 
http://permaculture.org.au/2010/12/15/a-guide-to-back-flood-swales/), or 
www.appropedia.org<http://www.appropedia.org>, which has a wealth of 
information on a huge array of topics.

A quick note on permaculture: there seems to be some confusion about 
permaculture being a branch of ecology. It is not, nor has it claimed to be. 
Permaculture is an applied discipline focusing on sustainable food production 
and site design by using ecological principles, using theory (but not creating 
it) from ecology, evolution, hydrology, physics, and conventional agricultural 
science. To want permaculture to be a theoretical discipline is to ask for 
something it can't deliver, nor is it supposed to.

Finally, a note on monetary value: I can appreciate skepticism regarding paying 
random people to tell you things you could find in a book, or that might even 
be misguided or untrue. However, asking for payment for a week-long class that 
provides food and lodging is hardly suspicous. Nor is it commonplace for 
'real,' academic information to be given away for free. I don't necessarily 
need to list examples, but I will:

--academic textbooks (this great pollination ecology book is cheap at $50: 
http://www.amazon.com/Pollination-Floral-Ecology-Pat-Willmer/dp/0691128618/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1357842276&sr=8-7&keywords=pollinator+ecology)

--academic seminars (the amazing Summer Institute in Statistical Genetics at U. 
of Washington is certainly not free: http://www.biostat.washington.edu/node/967)

--academic classes (I get to pay $600 a semester simply to finish my Ph.D. 
using 'dissertation credits')

--academic journals (Wiley-Blackwell only recently starting giving any of their 
articles for free, but try getting this great article on plant breeding systems 
if you aren't lucky enough to have an institution password: 
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1558-5646.2012.01730.x/pdf)

--and academic research (our University has an F&A cost for grants of 42% 
currently).

The academic framework we have in place does assure us some quality for the 
money we pay, but this does not bear on the appropriateness of paying for a 
product. To claim that academics is less than any other business, requiring 
money in exchange for products and services, and to thus require all other 
areas of research give away everything for free, is an unfair burden.

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of every permaculture flyer that comes 
across ecolog any more than I can vouch for the greatness of research of any 
scientist that happens to send a blog post, but to claim that permaculture has 
no specifics or that none of it is 'free' is untrue and has the potential to 
mislead people new to the terms and ideas.

Kevin Burls





On Jan 9, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Wayne Tyson wrote:

Ecolog:

These are the same old generalizations and appeals for money based on sentiment 
that I heard from Mollison in the 1970's. The Permaculture folks never seem to 
get even close to specifics, and that bothers me. Mollison did get into 
specifics back then, in a personal conversation we had at the break, and he did 
seem to have some good ideas that revealed that he had some knowledge of 
"practical" applications, such as burying old carpet in certain ways, and I 
have tried that particular "method" with variable results in other ways.

While I might share some of the sentiments, in the absence of specific examples 
I can't suppress my suspicion that this might fall into the category of "eco" 
exploitation, more than substantive progress in the realm of ecosystem 
management.

I have never had the chutzpa to advertise my seminars on Ecolog (except for the 
free one), I would, were I so inclined, now feel free to write up an 
advertisement for my own quirky approach to ecosystem observation, management, 
and restoration. Unfortunately I have had a bs-ectomy. But perhaps I can 
arrange for a transplant of that evil gene if I can find a qualified donor?

I have been laboring under the presumption that the main function of Ecolog was 
to exchange ideas in an open forum rather than to advertise for customers. I 
would welcome postings from "permaculture" folks that are more in the realm of 
specific contributions to ecology. Surely their theoretical foundations could 
be revealed without threatening their trade secrets, could they not?

WT

"Absolute faith corrupts absolutely" --Eric Hoffer




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