<sigh> is there any need to take things *so* personally? </sigh>
please take the trouble the find out who you're flaming before starting a war that you're going to loose. for example, try www.google.com and search for '"jon stevens"+ java'. at the moment, jon's being really pretty constructive - if you take the time to discuss things with him in a mature way, jon has a huge amount to teach you about writing frameworks. finally FYI ecs isn't a failed project - just a mature one. there is a difference. (wow! people are going to wonder whether me + jon have secretly swapped places ;) - robert On Monday, December 17, 2001, at 08:40 PM, keithwong wrote: > Hi Jon, > >> on 12/17/01 3:31 AM, "keithwong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Some advantages of Objective HTML are: >>> - Form data is much easily handled and much more intuitive >> >> Look at Torque in the Jakarta Turbine project. I just reviewed your >> documentation and your project seems to be a combination of wanting to be >> like Torque (but is limited to hard coded Java classes to describe your > form >> logic) and the old SPFC >> project...<http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/java-spfc/> that never went >> anywhere because it was a terrible idea. >> > > Hmm.. I had a look and these projects and they don't really seem anything > like mine? > Maybe you should of looked at my project in more detail before forming > this > bias opinion, which is evident in your tone. > >>> - No need to have 3 pieces of code like MVC (jsp, bean, controller), >>> instead most of your code lies in one class >> >> This is the first time in about 4 years, I have heard someone say that >> MVC >> is a bad thing. Hmmm...I'm sure you know better than a well known and >> accepted software engineering model. >> > > I really appreciate the sarcasm is your comments. First I never said MVC > was > bad! You're right that MVC is well known and well accepted... but I'm more > concerned whether people actually like it!? I've never really heard anyone > say they love MVC. maybe you do.. > >>> - Much more Object-Orientated than typical MVC frameworks >> >> Suuurrrreeee.... > > More sarcasm... can you tell me why you think having html/jsp > tags/scriplets > in a .jsp file is more OO? > >> >>> - Supports html and xhtml output types >> >> What about the DBFRJE output type? > > more sarcasm i presume.. > >> >>> - Less knowledge of html required, most of the messy html code is >>> abstracted in the Java objects >> >> We eventually discovered that hiding HTML in Java is bad and that it is > much >> better over the long term to use a tool like Velocity. That is why this >> project is nearly dead and Velocity is moving along at lightening speed. >> Sorry for the bad pun. >> >> This project is one of those lessons that I personally learned from quite > a >> bit. >> > > well then main aim of my project isn't too hide html in java code. it was > to > provide an easier way developers could access all the components of their > form. > >>> - Fully open source >> >> All right! >> >> Anyway, the summary is that what you are creating has already been done > over >> the years by several other people and was discovered to be a very bad > idea. >> It is never a good idea to code that much logic and UI into Java >> code...it >> is much better to abstract it out into configuration files that make it > easy >> for someone who isn't familiar with the code to figure things out. >> >> It is always sad to see someone work so hard on ideas that have already > been >> hashed over a bunch of times. I'm sure you will learn a lot though. Good >> luck with your project. >> >> -jon > > honestly Jon I would of expected a more positive response from you... > obviously you have a lot of resentment in your project not succeeding. If > you honestly had a look at my project you would see that its not really > what > you described it to be here. > > btw... almost everything in the software would is not a new idea... its > always the implementation that matters. > >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:ecs-user- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:ecs-user- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
