Well, here is a quote from one of our biggest tp's that we wish to go AS2 with: "It is important to note that the EDIINT product used by the trading partner must be one the products certified by The Drummond Group, Inc. This certification is extremely important as it ensures that the various software solution are "interoperable" based on the standards defined for AS1 or AS2 internet transmissions. A current list of software products that have been interoperable certified can be found on their web page (www.drummondgroup.com)"
And here is another quote from another of our biggest tp's that we also wish to go AS2 with: "...a product that is interoperable with our Cyclone Interchange Server, (a product that has been certified as compliant with the EDIINT-AS2 standard to exchange EDI documents over the Internet). The Uniform Code Council (UCC) has sponsored interoperability tests of EDIINT-AS2 compliant software and plans to sponsor additional tests in the future. At the current time, these companies and products have passed the interoperability tests. See http://www.uc-council.org for an up to date list of companies and products that are interoperable." So, it is clear that none of the more inexpensive AS2 s/w products are on this/these list(s) and perhaps, as someone pointed out, because there is a need to pay a fee and re-certify each year. Walter --- In [email protected], "Art Douglas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Competition is what drives down prices. Demand is partly based on > affordability. AS2 is more complex to administer on the local level than > traditional VAN communication, so if the cost of using AS2 is kept > artificially high by the perceived or prescribed need for interoperability > certification, then there is less incentive to use AS2 over a VAN. > > Before our software vendor began offering compliant, interoperable, > non-certified ASx, I investigated two of the established vendors for AS2 > software. The price quoted to convert enough trading partners to eliminate > 90% of our VAN cost was close to $100,000. Our VAN costs were $120,000 per > year, meaning it would be over one year to receive ROI. We abandoned the > idea for the time. Now there are more players in the market, and some like > Softshare, Inc., who market compliant, interoperable, non- certified packages > that are driving prices down. But the mandated use of Drummond Certified > packages forces users to purchase the pricey certified software. The higher > the cost, the less likely people will flock to buy it, and so adoption is > slowed. > > I can understand people wanting to make sure that the package being used on > the other end is compatible and interoperable with the package they are > using, so that implementation will go smoothly. Just as we can get badly > mangled implementation of standards from X12 users using interoperable > software, an inexperienced AS2 user can gum up the works, certification or > not. Maybe we need certified AS2 users. > > THE DOUGLAS-BLACKWATER GROUP WILL TEST THE INTEROPERABILITY OF AN AS1, AS2, > or AS3 USER FOR A SMALL INITIAL FEE OF $49,950 PER STANDARD PAYABLE IN > ADVANCE. USERS WHO ACHIEVE CERTIFICATION WILL BE LISTED ON OUR WEB SITE FOR > ONE YEAR. USERS FAILING TO ACHIEVE CERTIFICATION MAY RE-APPLY AFTER 90 DAYS > FOR A RE-APPLICATION FEE OF $19,950. ANY CHANGE IN THE SOFTWARE BEING USED, > INCLUDING VERSION UPGRADES, WILL REQUIRE A RE-TESTING FEE OF $34,950 AND > WILL INCLUDE LISTING FOR ONE YEAR. TO RENEW A USER'S LISTING FOR A > SUBSEQUENT YEAR, SIMPLY REMIT THE ANNUAL RENEWAL FEE OF $14,950 PER > STANDARD. SEPARATE TESTING REQUIRED FOR EACH USER AT AN INSTALLATION. > MULTIPLE-USER DISCOUNTS ARE AVAILABLE, CALL FOR DETAILS. > > Do you think it would work? > > Art Douglas > Chief Consultant > Blackwater Network > 877-464-8915 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Chris Johnson > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:25 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Reducing/eliminating our EDI VAN > > Quoted text is from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, by > Art Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >My opinion is that Wal*Mart's mandate of Drummond > >Certification has significantly delayed widespread adoption of AS2 > > That is an extremely interesting notion and, whilst I am not sure how > one would prove or disprove it, it seems to strike a chord with me. I do > know that we have not developed our own AS2 solution, even though it > would be a fairly quick lego assembly using code from the parts bin, > because the UK demand is not sufficient for the product to sold at a > reasonable price when the cost of certification is factored in. > > The non-VAN Internet technology which is used increasingly in the UK is > vanilla FTP, with an ad hoc range of acknowledgement mechanisms. > > Regards > Chris > > -- > Chris Johnson mobile:+44 (0)7785 302122 > EDIMatrix Ltd work: 0845 126 0680 or +44 20 8501 3097 > fax: +44 (0)20 8501 3096 > EDI website http://www.edimatrix.co.uk > > > ... > Please use the following Message Identifiers as your subject prefix: > <SALES>, <JOBS>, <LIST>, <TECH>, <MISC>, <EVENT>, <OFF-TOPIC> > > Job postings are welcome, but for job postings or requests for work: <JOBS> > IS REQUIRED in the subject line as a prefix. > Yahoo! Groups Links > ... 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