Hi Pine, Thanks for reviving this topic, it's an important one to people all around the world as Visual Editor is rolled out. VE is still being developed actively every day, and that means that any written instruction would very soon become outdated. That doesn't sound like the best time spent for anyone to me, even while I completely understand the need. We would be more than happy to work on something like that once VE is in a more ready state when we will know little more will change. Once we get to that point, we would love to have community involvement in it, so that we can make sure it answers the main questions people have who are using it.
So, to be continued! If anyone has already elaborated something that can be shared, even if it is in a different language, I encourage you to share it! Thanks to all of you for moving us forward! Best, Floor Floor Koudijs Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 x6806 (landline) +1.415.692.5289 (cell phone) [email protected] education.wikimedia.org On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > Following up on this: Cascadia Wikimedians may need some kind of > presentation outline or screencast along these lines by mid-April. If the > WMF education team and others can't create one by that time, we/I might > hack together a rudimentary version and put it on Commons for others to > reuse and/or build on. > > Does anyone have recommendations for screencast creation software, > preferably ones that are open source? > > Thanks, > Pine > On Feb 23, 2015 2:19 PM, "Sage Ross" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think Charles' suggestion is right on: a couple of screencasts >> demonstrating the use of VE would be a great thing to have. >> >> While VE itself needs less and less explanation in terms of the >> mechanics, there's still a lot that newcomers won't know in terms of >> how they *ought* to use it. It would be great to demonstrate the >> basics of what is expected of a Wikipedia article, using VE. This is >> somewhat analogous to the approach we took with VE in the "Editing >> Wikipedia" brochure: the center spread is about edting with >> VisualEditor and wikitext, but the VisualEditor side of it is all >> about the structure of a Wikipedia article. Showing a tightly edited >> demonstration of someone starting a well-structured sandbox article >> from scratch in VE, and explaining why they are using all the >> formmatting tools they use along the way — from bolding the title to >> section headers to wikilinks to citations to adding images to external >> links in a 'see also' section — that would be ideal. >> >> It's probably not something Wiki Education Foundation would tackle any >> time soon, though. >> >> Similarly, it would nice to have some guided tours that walk through >> the basics of VE usage, similar to the wikitext ones in the current >> training. I *might* find time to squeeze that in at some point in the >> next few months. >> >> We're tenatively planning to redo the WP:STUDENT training as part of >> the Dashboard/Course Page system we're building, so that it would have >> knowledge checks along the way and probably send users over to >> Wikipedia to go through sandbox guided tours to practice the basics. >> But that won't happen until (probably) late 2015. >> >> -Sage >> >> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Jami Mathewson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I don't know what our future training plans are, as I think the current >> > training is pretty great for English Wikipedia. Definitely one of our >> best >> > resources for students, so it's probably not a priority to improve that >> just >> > yet. Sage may have better information about that, though. >> > >> > You'll have to be more specific about ideas that inspire students, and >> may I >> > suggest we take this off-list so as not to overwhelm everybody's inbox? >> > Jami >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Thanks Jami (and sorry for misspelling your name. I am far too used to >> >> writing to Jaime Anstee!) >> >> >> >> Will Wiki Ed be developing training for VE? >> >> >> >> LiAnna had some great ideas about how to inspire students. Are those >> >> incorporated into the standard training anywhere? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Pine >> >> >> >> On Feb 23, 2015 12:26 PM, "Jami Mathewson" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> They're still using the student training[1], as we do not have a >> specific >> >>> training for VE. >> >>> >> >>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Training/For_students >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Jaime, thanks for the info. What training materials are these >> courses >> >>>> using? >> >>>> >> >>>> Pine >> >>>> >> >>>> On Feb 23, 2015 9:50 AM, "Jami Mathewson" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> We have some classes that are editing primarily with the VE this >> term. >> >>>>> Those classes still assigned the regular training for students, as >> the >> >>>>> concepts about the community, policies, sourcing, and copyvios are >> important >> >>>>> no matter which editor you use. We also thought the intro to wiki >> markup in >> >>>>> the training would still be useful—for talk pages and other pages >> where you >> >>>>> cannot enable the VE. >> >>>>> Jami >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Charles Matthews >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 23 February 2015 at 12:56, Vojtěch Dostál >> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I suppose WMUK's learning environment is not something other >> language >> >>>>>>> editions can profit from, right? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I still strongly prefer the Wikipedia:Training toolkit. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> It depends what you want. The VLE is 81 lessons, now plus one new >> >>>>>> "digital literacy" course, and so is more than a quick >> introduction. It has >> >>>>>> quizzes, and I added some videos just before Wikimania. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> A simple solution to teaching the VE would be perhaps two screen >> >>>>>> capture videos, demonstrating how to use it for some simple >> operations. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Charles >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> Education mailing list >> >>>>>> [email protected] >> >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Jami Mathewson >> >>>>> Educational Partnerships Manager >> >>>>> Wiki Education Foundation >> >>>>> [email protected] >> >>>>> User:Jami (Wiki Ed) >> >>>>> @WikiEducation >> >>>>> wikiedu.org/partnerships/ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Our organization supports the Wikipedia Education Program in the >> United >> >>>>> States and Canada. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> Education mailing list >> >>>>> [email protected] >> >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Education mailing list >> >>>> [email protected] >> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Jami Mathewson >> >>> Educational Partnerships Manager >> >>> Wiki Education Foundation >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> User:Jami (Wiki Ed) >> >>> @WikiEducation >> >>> wikiedu.org/partnerships/ >> >>> >> >>> Our organization supports the Wikipedia Education Program in the >> United >> >>> States and Canada. >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Education mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Education mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jami Mathewson >> > Educational Partnerships Manager >> > Wiki Education Foundation >> > [email protected] >> > User:Jami (Wiki Ed) >> > @WikiEducation >> > wikiedu.org/partnerships/ >> > >> > Our organization supports the Wikipedia Education Program in the United >> > States and Canada. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Education mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Education mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >
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