H Floor, I respectfully disagree with your assessment.
I/we will proceed without the WMF. If others are interested in being involved, then please email me off list. Pine On Mar 12, 2015 4:37 PM, "Floor Koudijs" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Pine, > > Thanks for reviving this topic, it's an important one to people all around > the world as Visual Editor is rolled out. VE is still being developed > actively every day, and that means that any written instruction would very > soon become outdated. That doesn't sound like the best time spent for > anyone to me, even while I completely understand the need. We would be more > than happy to work on something like that once VE is in a more ready state > when we will know little more will change. Once we get to that point, we > would love to have community involvement in it, so that we can make sure it > answers the main questions people have who are using it. > > So, to be continued! If anyone has already elaborated something that can > be shared, even if it is in a different language, I encourage you to share > it! > > Thanks to all of you for moving us forward! > > Best, > Floor > > > Floor Koudijs > > Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program > > Wikimedia Foundation > > +1.415.839.6885 x6806 (landline) > > +1.415.692.5289 (cell phone) > > [email protected] > > education.wikimedia.org > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Following up on this: Cascadia Wikimedians may need some kind of >> presentation outline or screencast along these lines by mid-April. If the >> WMF education team and others can't create one by that time, we/I might >> hack together a rudimentary version and put it on Commons for others to >> reuse and/or build on. >> >> Does anyone have recommendations for screencast creation software, >> preferably ones that are open source? >> >> Thanks, >> Pine >> On Feb 23, 2015 2:19 PM, "Sage Ross" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I think Charles' suggestion is right on: a couple of screencasts >>> demonstrating the use of VE would be a great thing to have. >>> >>> While VE itself needs less and less explanation in terms of the >>> mechanics, there's still a lot that newcomers won't know in terms of >>> how they *ought* to use it. It would be great to demonstrate the >>> basics of what is expected of a Wikipedia article, using VE. This is >>> somewhat analogous to the approach we took with VE in the "Editing >>> Wikipedia" brochure: the center spread is about edting with >>> VisualEditor and wikitext, but the VisualEditor side of it is all >>> about the structure of a Wikipedia article. Showing a tightly edited >>> demonstration of someone starting a well-structured sandbox article >>> from scratch in VE, and explaining why they are using all the >>> formmatting tools they use along the way — from bolding the title to >>> section headers to wikilinks to citations to adding images to external >>> links in a 'see also' section — that would be ideal. >>> >>> It's probably not something Wiki Education Foundation would tackle any >>> time soon, though. >>> >>> Similarly, it would nice to have some guided tours that walk through >>> the basics of VE usage, similar to the wikitext ones in the current >>> training. I *might* find time to squeeze that in at some point in the >>> next few months. >>> >>> We're tenatively planning to redo the WP:STUDENT training as part of >>> the Dashboard/Course Page system we're building, so that it would have >>> knowledge checks along the way and probably send users over to >>> Wikipedia to go through sandbox guided tours to practice the basics. >>> But that won't happen until (probably) late 2015. >>> >>> -Sage >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Jami Mathewson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > I don't know what our future training plans are, as I think the current >>> > training is pretty great for English Wikipedia. Definitely one of our >>> best >>> > resources for students, so it's probably not a priority to improve >>> that just >>> > yet. Sage may have better information about that, though. >>> > >>> > You'll have to be more specific about ideas that inspire students, and >>> may I >>> > suggest we take this off-list so as not to overwhelm everybody's inbox? >>> > Jami >>> > >>> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Thanks Jami (and sorry for misspelling your name. I am far too used to >>> >> writing to Jaime Anstee!) >>> >> >>> >> Will Wiki Ed be developing training for VE? >>> >> >>> >> LiAnna had some great ideas about how to inspire students. Are those >>> >> incorporated into the standard training anywhere? >>> >> >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> >>> >> Pine >>> >> >>> >> On Feb 23, 2015 12:26 PM, "Jami Mathewson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> They're still using the student training[1], as we do not have a >>> specific >>> >>> training for VE. >>> >>> >>> >>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Training/For_students >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Hi Jaime, thanks for the info. What training materials are these >>> courses >>> >>>> using? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Pine >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2015 9:50 AM, "Jami Mathewson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> We have some classes that are editing primarily with the VE this >>> term. >>> >>>>> Those classes still assigned the regular training for students, as >>> the >>> >>>>> concepts about the community, policies, sourcing, and copyvios are >>> important >>> >>>>> no matter which editor you use. We also thought the intro to wiki >>> markup in >>> >>>>> the training would still be useful—for talk pages and other pages >>> where you >>> >>>>> cannot enable the VE. >>> >>>>> Jami >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Charles Matthews >>> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 23 February 2015 at 12:56, Vojtěch Dostál >>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> I suppose WMUK's learning environment is not something other >>> language >>> >>>>>>> editions can profit from, right? >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> I still strongly prefer the Wikipedia:Training toolkit. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> It depends what you want. The VLE is 81 lessons, now plus one new >>> >>>>>> "digital literacy" course, and so is more than a quick >>> introduction. It has >>> >>>>>> quizzes, and I added some videos just before Wikimania. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> A simple solution to teaching the VE would be perhaps two screen >>> >>>>>> capture videos, demonstrating how to use it for some simple >>> operations. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Charles >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> Education mailing list >>> >>>>>> [email protected] >>> >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> Jami Mathewson >>> >>>>> Educational Partnerships Manager >>> >>>>> Wiki Education Foundation >>> >>>>> [email protected] >>> >>>>> User:Jami (Wiki Ed) >>> >>>>> @WikiEducation >>> >>>>> wikiedu.org/partnerships/ >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Our organization supports the Wikipedia Education Program in the >>> United >>> >>>>> States and Canada. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> Education mailing list >>> >>>>> [email protected] >>> >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> Education mailing list >>> >>>> [email protected] >>> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Jami Mathewson >>> >>> Educational Partnerships Manager >>> >>> Wiki Education Foundation >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> User:Jami (Wiki Ed) >>> >>> @WikiEducation >>> >>> wikiedu.org/partnerships/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Our organization supports the Wikipedia Education Program in the >>> United >>> >>> States and Canada. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Education mailing list >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Education mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Jami Mathewson >>> > Educational Partnerships Manager >>> > Wiki Education Foundation >>> > [email protected] >>> > User:Jami (Wiki Ed) >>> > @WikiEducation >>> > wikiedu.org/partnerships/ >>> > >>> > Our organization supports the Wikipedia Education Program in the United >>> > States and Canada. >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Education mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Education mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Education mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >
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