We are working on a VisualEditor-based version of Wikipedia:Training. Not sure when we are done with it... hopefully in a month's time.
best regards Vojtěch Dostál místopředseda / vice-chairman Wikimedia Česká republika / Wikimedia Czech Republic http://www.wikimedia.cz Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.CR> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/Wikimedia_CR> | Newsletter <http://eepurl.com/FsHJr> 2015-03-13 3:02 GMT+01:00 Pine W <[email protected]>: > H Floor, > > I respectfully disagree with your assessment. > > I/we will proceed without the WMF. If others are interested in being > involved, then please email me off list. > > Pine > On Mar 12, 2015 4:37 PM, "Floor Koudijs" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Pine, >> >> Thanks for reviving this topic, it's an important one to people all >> around the world as Visual Editor is rolled out. VE is still being >> developed actively every day, and that means that any written instruction >> would very soon become outdated. That doesn't sound like the best time >> spent for anyone to me, even while I completely understand the need. We >> would be more than happy to work on something like that once VE is in a >> more ready state when we will know little more will change. Once we get to >> that point, we would love to have community involvement in it, so that we >> can make sure it answers the main questions people have who are using it. >> >> So, to be continued! If anyone has already elaborated something that can >> be shared, even if it is in a different language, I encourage you to share >> it! >> >> Thanks to all of you for moving us forward! >> >> Best, >> Floor >> >> >> Floor Koudijs >> >> Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program >> >> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> +1.415.839.6885 x6806 (landline) >> >> +1.415.692.5289 (cell phone) >> >> [email protected] >> >> education.wikimedia.org >> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Following up on this: Cascadia Wikimedians may need some kind of >>> presentation outline or screencast along these lines by mid-April. If the >>> WMF education team and others can't create one by that time, we/I might >>> hack together a rudimentary version and put it on Commons for others to >>> reuse and/or build on. >>> >>> Does anyone have recommendations for screencast creation software, >>> preferably ones that are open source? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Pine >>> On Feb 23, 2015 2:19 PM, "Sage Ross" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think Charles' suggestion is right on: a couple of screencasts >>>> demonstrating the use of VE would be a great thing to have. >>>> >>>> While VE itself needs less and less explanation in terms of the >>>> mechanics, there's still a lot that newcomers won't know in terms of >>>> how they *ought* to use it. It would be great to demonstrate the >>>> basics of what is expected of a Wikipedia article, using VE. This is >>>> somewhat analogous to the approach we took with VE in the "Editing >>>> Wikipedia" brochure: the center spread is about edting with >>>> VisualEditor and wikitext, but the VisualEditor side of it is all >>>> about the structure of a Wikipedia article. Showing a tightly edited >>>> demonstration of someone starting a well-structured sandbox article >>>> from scratch in VE, and explaining why they are using all the >>>> formmatting tools they use along the way — from bolding the title to >>>> section headers to wikilinks to citations to adding images to external >>>> links in a 'see also' section — that would be ideal. >>>> >>>> It's probably not something Wiki Education Foundation would tackle any >>>> time soon, though. >>>> >>>> Similarly, it would nice to have some guided tours that walk through >>>> the basics of VE usage, similar to the wikitext ones in the current >>>> training. I *might* find time to squeeze that in at some point in the >>>> next few months. >>>> >>>> We're tenatively planning to redo the WP:STUDENT training as part of >>>> the Dashboard/Course Page system we're building, so that it would have >>>> knowledge checks along the way and probably send users over to >>>> Wikipedia to go through sandbox guided tours to practice the basics. >>>> But that won't happen until (probably) late 2015. >>>> >>>> -Sage >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Jami Mathewson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > I don't know what our future training plans are, as I think the >>>> current >>>> > training is pretty great for English Wikipedia. Definitely one of our >>>> best >>>> > resources for students, so it's probably not a priority to improve >>>> that just >>>> > yet. Sage may have better information about that, though. >>>> > >>>> > You'll have to be more specific about ideas that inspire students, >>>> and may I >>>> > suggest we take this off-list so as not to overwhelm everybody's >>>> inbox? >>>> > Jami >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Thanks Jami (and sorry for misspelling your name. I am far too used >>>> to >>>> >> writing to Jaime Anstee!) >>>> >> >>>> >> Will Wiki Ed be developing training for VE? >>>> >> >>>> >> LiAnna had some great ideas about how to inspire students. Are those >>>> >> incorporated into the standard training anywhere? >>>> >> >>>> >> Thanks, >>>> >> >>>> >> Pine >>>> >> >>>> >> On Feb 23, 2015 12:26 PM, "Jami Mathewson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> They're still using the student training[1], as we do not have a >>>> specific >>>> >>> training for VE. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Training/For_students >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Jaime, thanks for the info. What training materials are these >>>> courses >>>> >>>> using? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Pine >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2015 9:50 AM, "Jami Mathewson" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> We have some classes that are editing primarily with the VE this >>>> term. >>>> >>>>> Those classes still assigned the regular training for students, >>>> as the >>>> >>>>> concepts about the community, policies, sourcing, and copyvios >>>> are important >>>> >>>>> no matter which editor you use. We also thought the intro to wiki >>>> markup in >>>> >>>>> the training would still be useful—for talk pages and other pages >>>> where you >>>> >>>>> cannot enable the VE. >>>> >>>>> Jami >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Charles Matthews >>>> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 23 February 2015 at 12:56, Vojtěch Dostál >>>> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> I suppose WMUK's learning environment is not something other >>>> language >>>> >>>>>>> editions can profit from, right? >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> I still strongly prefer the Wikipedia:Training toolkit. >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> It depends what you want. The VLE is 81 lessons, now plus one new >>>> >>>>>> "digital literacy" course, and so is more than a quick >>>> introduction. It has >>>> >>>>>> quizzes, and I added some videos just before Wikimania. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> A simple solution to teaching the VE would be perhaps two screen >>>> >>>>>> capture videos, demonstrating how to use it for some simple >>>> operations. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Charles >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>>> Education mailing list >>>> >>>>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> Jami Mathewson >>>> >>>>> Educational Partnerships Manager >>>> >>>>> Wiki Education Foundation >>>> >>>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>>> User:Jami (Wiki Ed) >>>> >>>>> @WikiEducation >>>> >>>>> wikiedu.org/partnerships/ >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Our organization supports the Wikipedia Education Program in the >>>> United >>>> >>>>> States and Canada. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>> Education mailing list >>>> >>>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Education mailing list >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Jami Mathewson >>>> >>> Educational Partnerships Manager >>>> >>> Wiki Education Foundation >>>> >>> [email protected] >>>> >>> User:Jami (Wiki Ed) >>>> >>> @WikiEducation >>>> >>> wikiedu.org/partnerships/ >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Our organization supports the Wikipedia Education Program in the >>>> United >>>> >>> States and Canada. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Education mailing list >>>> >>> [email protected] >>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Education mailing list >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Jami Mathewson >>>> > Educational Partnerships Manager >>>> > Wiki Education Foundation >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > User:Jami (Wiki Ed) >>>> > @WikiEducation >>>> > wikiedu.org/partnerships/ >>>> > >>>> > Our organization supports the Wikipedia Education Program in the >>>> United >>>> > States and Canada. >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Education mailing list >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Education mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Education mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Education mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >
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