Aravind Naidu wrote:
> >
> > The reality is that it's going to take a couple of years to role
> > out real EJB
> > applications and alot of things are going to change by then.
> >
>
> I hate to get involved in such a subjective discussion, but I would like to
> point out that "real EJB" applications are here now and I can give you
> plenty of examples of them with real users hammering away at them. And they
> are all at Enterprise quality too.
I'm not advocating that Vendors make products using the J2EE RI but it can be
done.
If you want to ignore this and the potential additional competition, because of
lower barriers to entry, go ahead and do so. Basic business sense indicates that
the barriers to entry are lowered because of the open source/J2EE RI.
> > So even if you can't sell the J2EE RI without first licensing it
> >from Sun, it still has alot of value for prototyping and
> >building products. As a vendor and system integrator, I have
> >found that all of the other containers are pretty much worthless.
>
> I also agree with Jean-Baptise's claim that J2EE RI, is what it is meant to
> be, an RI. Not a production quality implementation. Where is your
> clustering, failover scenario ? How about a decent O/R mapping tool ? How
> about IDE support ? How about a test environment for unit testing ?
> All of the above and more, I get from my application server.
> Yes, you can use it for prototyping and even for some development....
>
Your to busy trying to make this a personal issue instead of a
business/engineering issue.
The bottom line is that a company can try to license the J2EE RI and add all of
the above and effectively compete. Sun never said that you could not get a J2EE
RI license if your approached them
>
> SUN don't want you to resell the RI, and will never do. That would mean it
> will compete against iPlanet. They are not stupid.
>
> Even the most ardent supporter of Tomcat (of which I am one) will agree that
> it is not yet ready for production. (refer to the mailing list.) It is just
> an RI and the only reason, SUN has agreed to giving it to the Apache
> foundation is that they know it will not compete against them with selling
> their Enterprise app server. That is where the big bickies are .
I don't think your a programmer because you would realize that programmers can
make this stuff scale with access to source code. The bottom line is that
competition is tight!!!!!!!!!!!!
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