Hi Freeman,
Please, let us take this off-list.
I think you have really misunderstood me and what I was trying to say. I am
not saying that Open Source s/w cannot scale or that they do not perform
what they need to do.
All, I am saying is that the J2EE RI, according to SUN will not do this and
it will be illegal to do this using the RI code.
Of course, you can go and write one, as the jBoss and the Enhydra + jonas
people have done and well, in time, it might (will) perform better than
commercial s/w.
Did you know that SUN's current license of the libraries clashes with the
Open Source concepts of the above app servers ? They are promising a fix
soon.
But, at this moment it does not have the features I have mentioned for a
production quality J2EE implementation and they will be the first to admit
this. Get on the jBoss list and you will work this out.
Of course, I can go and write one, but then I am not interested. Just
because I am not interested in writing an application server, that does not
mean I am not a programmer. How personal is that ?
I am more interested in delivering applications to business users than
writing infrastructure code. And, in case you have missed it, that is
exactly the whole point of the J2EE architecture. Let a separate group of
people (vendors) provide infrastructure to another group of people who will
provide applications.
-- Aravind
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Freeman Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2000 14:01
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Clarifiaction please..
>
>
> Aravind Naidu wrote:
>
> > >
> > > The reality is that it's going to take a couple of years to role
> > > out real EJB
> > > applications and alot of things are going to change by then.
> > >
> >
> > I hate to get involved in such a subjective discussion, but I
> would like to
> > point out that "real EJB" applications are here now and I can give you
> > plenty of examples of them with real users hammering away at
> them. And they
> > are all at Enterprise quality too.
>
> I'm not advocating that Vendors make products using the J2EE RI
> but it can be
> done.
>
> If you want to ignore this and the potential additional
> competition, because of
> lower barriers to entry, go ahead and do so. Basic business sense
> indicates that
> the barriers to entry are lowered because of the open source/J2EE RI.
>
> > > So even if you can't sell the J2EE RI without first licensing it
> > >from Sun, it still has alot of value for prototyping and
> > >building products. As a vendor and system integrator, I have
> > >found that all of the other containers are pretty much worthless.
> >
> > I also agree with Jean-Baptise's claim that J2EE RI, is what it
> is meant to
> > be, an RI. Not a production quality implementation. Where is your
> > clustering, failover scenario ? How about a decent O/R mapping
> tool ? How
> > about IDE support ? How about a test environment for unit testing ?
> > All of the above and more, I get from my application server.
> > Yes, you can use it for prototyping and even for some development....
> >
>
> Your to busy trying to make this a personal issue instead of a
> business/engineering issue.
> The bottom line is that a company can try to license the J2EE RI
> and add all of
> the above and effectively compete. Sun never said that you could
> not get a J2EE
> RI license if your approached them
>
> >
> > SUN don't want you to resell the RI, and will never do. That
> would mean it
> > will compete against iPlanet. They are not stupid.
> >
> > Even the most ardent supporter of Tomcat (of which I am one)
> will agree that
> > it is not yet ready for production. (refer to the mailing
> list.) It is just
> > an RI and the only reason, SUN has agreed to giving it to the Apache
> > foundation is that they know it will not compete against them
> with selling
> > their Enterprise app server. That is where the big bickies are .
>
> I don't think your a programmer because you would realize that
> programmers can
> make this stuff scale with access to source code. The bottom line is that
> competition is tight!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
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