As this is a subjective discussion and not really realted to EJB design, I
will take this off list.
-- Aravind
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Freeman Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2000 14:01
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Clarifiaction please..
>
>
> Aravind Naidu wrote:
>
> > >
> > > The reality is that it's going to take a couple of years to role
> > > out real EJB
> > > applications and alot of things are going to change by then.
> > >
> >
> > I hate to get involved in such a subjective discussion, but I
> would like to
> > point out that "real EJB" applications are here now and I can give you
> > plenty of examples of them with real users hammering away at
> them. And they
> > are all at Enterprise quality too.
>
> I'm not advocating that Vendors make products using the J2EE RI
> but it can be
> done.
>
> If you want to ignore this and the potential additional
> competition, because of
> lower barriers to entry, go ahead and do so. Basic business sense
> indicates that
> the barriers to entry are lowered because of the open source/J2EE RI.
>
> > > So even if you can't sell the J2EE RI without first licensing it
> > >from Sun, it still has alot of value for prototyping and
> > >building products. As a vendor and system integrator, I have
> > >found that all of the other containers are pretty much worthless.
> >
> > I also agree with Jean-Baptise's claim that J2EE RI, is what it
> is meant to
> > be, an RI. Not a production quality implementation. Where is your
> > clustering, failover scenario ? How about a decent O/R mapping
> tool ? How
> > about IDE support ? How about a test environment for unit testing ?
> > All of the above and more, I get from my application server.
> > Yes, you can use it for prototyping and even for some development....
> >
>
> Your to busy trying to make this a personal issue instead of a
> business/engineering issue.
> The bottom line is that a company can try to license the J2EE RI
> and add all of
> the above and effectively compete. Sun never said that you could
> not get a J2EE
> RI license if your approached them
>
> >
> > SUN don't want you to resell the RI, and will never do. That
> would mean it
> > will compete against iPlanet. They are not stupid.
> >
> > Even the most ardent supporter of Tomcat (of which I am one)
> will agree that
> > it is not yet ready for production. (refer to the mailing
> list.) It is just
> > an RI and the only reason, SUN has agreed to giving it to the Apache
> > foundation is that they know it will not compete against them
> with selling
> > their Enterprise app server. That is where the big bickies are .
>
> I don't think your a programmer because you would realize that
> programmers can
> make this stuff scale with access to source code. The bottom line is that
> competition is tight!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
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