Alec, I am planning to control a machine with the RPI 4 but have not started putting things together yet. So I might be interested in Gentoo with Preempt -RT but Isn't there a Debian with Linux CNC already available? Is there a significant advantage of Gentoo? Would the realtime performance be better? I don't normally look at the forum unless I get a notification on specific topics that I subscribed to so I never saw your post.
Regards, John Figie On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 6:45 PM gene heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> wrote: > On 1/7/25 17:19, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote: > > Hello, > > > >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Januar 2025 um 10:43 > >> Von: "gene heskett" <ghesk...@shentel.net> > >> An: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > >> Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] Gentoo+LinuxCNC image update > > .... > >>> Any feedback is greatly appreciated. > >> I am for it, with my toothpick sized oar, debian came around and wanted > >> to add linuxcnc to the deb system. They have since filed more bugs > >> against it, trying to make it fit their idea of how it should work I > >> guess, but I don't see it as a plus for us. > > ... > > > > I agree that the upload to Debian (which has indeed happened, see > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linuxcnc) > > had no immediate affect on the capabilities of LinuxCNC. > > but we are getting threats of removal about monthly, over stuff that has > no effect on us users. We have been doing the docs with our tools for > decades, and now a new doc processing system and tooling is being > dictated. The main .pdf document has been expanded around 300 pages > since wheezy but is still not up to your stds. As a long time user > (pushing 25 years) it seems like harassment. Granted, it is in the > longer view, an improvement in docs only but not to LinuxCNC's > functionality. We would rather be making hot swarf. > > My $0.02. > > > But somehow the number installations reported on popularity-contest is > increasing > > (see https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=linuxcnc-uspace) > ever since. > > And with every installation comes some extra eyeballs that may improve > something somewhere. > > > > Whenever someone sticks with the LinuxCNC community, it does not matter > how they learned > > about the project. And newcomers will find it easiest to address some > annoyance at the periphery (documentation, typos, tests, ...) > > as a start. This is also where I think LinuxCNC has improved a lot over > the past years - both wrt to infrastructure and content. > > > > Some 40 years ago the term "Computer Integrated Manufactoring" ( > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer-integrated_manufacturing) > > came up. This is where I see the role of a distribution: Make stuff work > with each other. To me, Debian is not about improving > > LinuxCNC itself. But people will look at it with very different > perspectives. Some are mere technical like "security" > > or "incompatibilities with library updates". Others ask why it is so > difficult to execute LinuxCNC from within FreeCAD. > > And maybe something then happens - preferably it is just something > missing in the documentation. > > > > Parts of the tests on a software to interoperate correctly in a > distribution are automated. > > There are certain paths that e.g. an icon for a desktop is supposed to > be using, so that other tools can find that > > icon. Something executable should have a manual page with the same name, > so the "man" application help spit out some help. > > The reports of such tests are published on > https://udd.debian.org/lintian/?packages=linuxcnc . > > And a user that does not know about our GitHub repository can send bug > reports to Debian's bug tracking system at > > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=linuxcnc-uspace > . > > > > I think that LinuxCNC wins once it is obvious to everyone that the time > invested is returned. And that LinuxCNC is > > secure and stable enough not to damage the hardware or the person using > it. With every typo (in the code or the documentation) > > we likely lose a decision maker (be it a home shop or a developer of > some larger machine manufacturer) > > to some closed source solution (that are hiding their typos :-) ) > because of some felt insecurity. > > Therefore I cannot praise efforts like > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/3253 or > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/pull/3233 enough that communicate > an "attention to detail and correctness". > > And that communication is important to have not only for the outsiders > to make a good first impression. > > It is also a perpetual reminder for ourselves. > > > > Happy New Year everyone > > Steffen > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Emc-developers mailing list > > Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > . > > Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. 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