This thread was initiated by a gentleman in India who stated they had an ITE device tested for Class B compliance in a NVLAP accredited lab. The India lab should note that FCC rules for products having a DoC are acceptable from test firms outside the U.S. only if they are in a country that has an MRA with the U.S. A NVLAP accredited lab or FCC registered lab is not a MRA with the U.S. For India, because they don't have an MRA with the U.S., test firms in that country cannot do testing for FCC DoC. http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/kdb/forms/FTSSearchResultPage.cfm?id=3387 2&switch=P
As for the ICES-003 question, see Q11 under "Frequently Asked Questions about ICES-003, Issue 4" http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/smt-gst.nsf/en/sf01006e.html Regards, Richard Worley, NCE EMC, Global Regulations & Standards Dell Inc. One Dell Way MS PS4-30 Round Rock, TX USA 78682 Tel: 512.728.1081 Fax: 512.283.9268 Mobile: 512.431.1084 Email: [email protected] >This message contains information, which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee {or authorized to receive for the addressee}, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kevin Keegan Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:21 AM To: Bill Owsley; [email protected] Subject: RE: ICES -003 approval for FCC DoC product Bill, Good piece of information. 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On 9 Jun 2008 at 7:02, Bill Owsley wrote: > > Another little detail that gets lost in the shuffle is that while the > FCC will accept CISPR 22 test data showing comliance to the those > limits, the FCC also requires that the tests be done > according to ANSI C63.4 which specifies that the mains power bethe > usualUSA voltage and > frequency; 120vac/60Hz. And so... two tests - FCC & CISPR. Annoying details! > > The MRA's between countries for the EMC regulations is helpful for a > common ICES- 003, FCC, > CISPR 22, except for the mains power part. > It also appears to be necessary since numerous products I've tested > have passed at one main > voltage and failed at the other. > - > > > Bill Stumpf <[email protected]> wrote: > Currently, Industry Canada will accept FCC test data for devices > subject to ICES- 003. I'd > have your test lab provide you a test report for ICES-003 based on the FCC data. Also, be > sure that your labeling and information to the user meet IC > requirements. You mentioned > Declaration of Conformity. DOC and DOC labeling is only applicable > to some types of ITE. > > Bill Stumpf > D.L.S. Electronic Systems, Inc. > EMC Testing & Consulting > 166 South Carter Street > Genoa City WI, 53128 > 262-279-0210 > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material > for the sole use of the > intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any > attachment is prohibited. If > you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender > and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: ICES -003 approval for FCC DoC product > > No you don't. The latest version is ICES-003 2004 Issue 4. > > Actually the FCC will accept test data done to CISPR 22 (see CFR 47, Part > 15.109 (g)). > > If the ITE device is an intentional radiator, then the testing > site will have to be listed by the > FCC and IC. > > Bob Heller > 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 > St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 > Tel: 651- 778-6336 > Fax: 651-778-6252 > =========================================================== > > > > > Kbalasubramanian@ > scmmicro.co.in > Sent by: To > [email protected] [email protected] > cc > > 06/09/2008 05:33 Subject > AM ICES -003 approval for FCC DoC > product > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Experts, > We have tested our ITE device for FCC Part15 Class B compliance in an NVLAP > accredited lab. In the same lab for the same device we conducted > testing for CISPR22 > Class B compliance also. Based on these 2 reports we have issued > DoC for placing the > device in US & EU market. Now the same device we plan to sell in > Canada. Do we need > another testing or can we issue a DoC based on the FCC & CISPR reports. > > Sincerely SCM Microsystems (India) Pvt. Ltd. > K. Balasubramanian Modules 0506, > 0507 & 0508, D - Block, > Manager - Hardware South Wing, TIDEL Park, Tel : +91 44 > 22540020 Ext : 305 #4, Rajiv Gandhi Road,(formerly Canal Bank Road) > Fax :+91 44 22540029 Taramani, Chennai - 600113. India E- > mail:[email protected] Web : http://scmmicro.com 'This email and > any attachment may contain confidential information and are > intended solely for the use of > the named recipient(s). If you have received this information in > error, you are prohibited > from reading, copying, distributing and using the information. 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