That's the number I have in mind as well - doors close to 10,000 feet, but yes there are the occasional longer times up to an including the stranded on the tarmac stories heard every so often.
Gary -----Original Message----- From: Grasso, Charles [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] New immunity testing by the FAA in the future? Hi Derek - That's true..especially if there is a hangup at the gate or on the taxi way. My recent experiences on flights were that the "dark time" is about 20mins either side of the flight - not too bad. Best Regards Charles Grasso Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications (w) 303-706-5467 (c) 303-204-2974 (t) [email protected] (e) [email protected] (e2) [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Derek Walton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:37 AM To: Grasso, Charles Cc: Ken Javor; [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] New immunity testing by the FAA in the future? Hi Chas, as a frequent flier, that take off and taxi period can be many many minutes... and has taken hours at which time a PED would be most welcome. Derek. On 3/19/2012 10:30 AM, Grasso, Charles wrote: > Hello Ken - I agree with your position. Turning off edevices > for a few minutes in a flight is a minimal inconvenience at best. > > However (and this is a little tongue in cheek!) if the > manufacturers of these devices either were made to comply with > DO160 emissions requirements for edevices specifically for use on > aircraft then those passengers that MUST read in those critical few > minutes can do so. > > Best Regards > Charles Grasso > Compliance Engineer > Echostar Communications > (w) 303-706-5467 > (c) 303-204-2974 > (t) [email protected] > (e) [email protected] > (e2) [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Javor > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:28 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PSES] New immunity testing by the FAA in the future? > > Yeah Ed, I get it - I'm an out-of-touch old fogey. But in a sense it > doesn't matter as long as the FAA enforces a level playing field and all > airlines have the same rules. The flying public simply has to deal with it. > > Look at what the TSA has done to airport security. Because of that, I drive > to customer locations within a 1.5 day driving radius rather than deal with > the hassle and indignity of the lines and procedures. > > [If the FAA reversed course and allowed cell phone use on aircraft (which > wouldn't be a safety problem at all due to the spectral use being > out-of-band to any present day aircraft radio reception) by facilitating an > in-plane "cell tower," I might have to expand my driving radius cut-off to > two days. Due to the inconvenience of listening to everyone yelling into > their phones about topics in which I have little interest...] > > The numbers of flyers haven't dropped at all as the TSA has made the > procedures ever more time-consuming and invasive. > > If the public can take the TSA, they can deal with the FAA unplugging them a > few minutes. > > Ken Javor > Phone: (256) 650-5261 > > >> From: Ed Price<[email protected]> >> Organization: ESP Labs >> Reply-To:<[email protected]> >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:48:13 -0700 >> To:<[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: [PSES] New immunity testing by the FAA in the future? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ken Javor [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:28 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [PSES] New immunity testing by the FAA in the future? >> >> >> Given the above issues, it makes much more sense for the flying public to >> remain unplugged for a few minutes at the beginning and end of every flight. >> >> This isn't asking a lot. >> >> >> Ken Javor >> Phone: (256) 650-5261 >> >> >> It may not be such a sacrifice for you, Ken, but you are not representative >> of the general public. Drivers can't give up their cell phones and texting >> devices, despite considerable fines. Look at the behavior of crowds in a >> shopping mall; it's almost unusual to find someone who is NOT carrying on an >> electronic conversation. A few weeks ago, I stopped at the side of an aisle >> in a Wal-Mart as I noticed a walker/talker directly approaching me. I was >> curious about at what distance she would notice me; instead, she almost fell >> into my cart. Despite the physical surprise, and giving me a nasty look, she >> didn't even pause her conversation. >> >> As you said, it makes more sense, but the general public isn't agreeable to >> even a slight inconvenience. >> >> >> Ed Price >> El Cajon, CA >> USA >> >> >> - >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc >> discussion list. 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