Clearly if one is stuck on the tarmac for hours and the plane isn't going anywhere anytime soon, the prohibition against PED use can be lifted. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261
> From: Derek Walton <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:37:10 -0500 > To: "Grasso, Charles" <[email protected]> > Cc: Ken Javor <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [PSES] New immunity testing by the FAA in the future? > > Hi Chas, > > as a frequent flier, that take off and taxi period can be many many > minutes... and has taken hours at which time a PED would be most welcome. > > Derek. > > On 3/19/2012 10:30 AM, Grasso, Charles wrote: >> Hello Ken - I agree with your position. Turning off edevices >> for a few minutes in a flight is a minimal inconvenience at best. >> >> However (and this is a little tongue in cheek!) if the >> manufacturers of these devices either were made to comply with >> DO160 emissions requirements for edevices specifically for use on >> aircraft then those passengers that MUST read in those critical few >> minutes can do so. >> >> Best Regards >> Charles Grasso >> Compliance Engineer >> Echostar Communications >> (w) 303-706-5467 >> (c) 303-204-2974 >> (t) [email protected] >> (e) [email protected] >> (e2) [email protected] >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Javor >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:28 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [PSES] New immunity testing by the FAA in the future? >> >> Yeah Ed, I get it - I'm an out-of-touch old fogey. But in a sense it >> doesn't matter as long as the FAA enforces a level playing field and all >> airlines have the same rules. The flying public simply has to deal with it. >> >> Look at what the TSA has done to airport security. Because of that, I drive >> to customer locations within a 1.5 day driving radius rather than deal with >> the hassle and indignity of the lines and procedures. >> >> [If the FAA reversed course and allowed cell phone use on aircraft (which >> wouldn't be a safety problem at all due to the spectral use being >> out-of-band to any present day aircraft radio reception) by facilitating an >> in-plane "cell tower," I might have to expand my driving radius cut-off to >> two days. Due to the inconvenience of listening to everyone yelling into >> their phones about topics in which I have little interest...] >> >> The numbers of flyers haven't dropped at all as the TSA has made the >> procedures ever more time-consuming and invasive. >> >> If the public can take the TSA, they can deal with the FAA unplugging them a >> few minutes. >> >> Ken Javor >> Phone: (256) 650-5261 >> >> >>> From: Ed Price<[email protected]> >>> Organization: ESP Labs >>> Reply-To:<[email protected]> >>> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 05:48:13 -0700 >>> To:<[email protected]> >>> Subject: RE: [PSES] New immunity testing by the FAA in the future? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ken Javor [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:28 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [PSES] New immunity testing by the FAA in the future? >>> >>> >>> Given the above issues, it makes much more sense for the flying public to >>> remain unplugged for a few minutes at the beginning and end of every flight. >>> >>> This isn't asking a lot. >>> >>> >>> Ken Javor >>> Phone: (256) 650-5261 >>> >>> >>> It may not be such a sacrifice for you, Ken, but you are not representative >>> of the general public. Drivers can't give up their cell phones and texting >>> devices, despite considerable fines. Look at the behavior of crowds in a >>> shopping mall; it's almost unusual to find someone who is NOT carrying on an >>> electronic conversation. A few weeks ago, I stopped at the side of an aisle >>> in a Wal-Mart as I noticed a walker/talker directly approaching me. I was >>> curious about at what distance she would notice me; instead, she almost fell >>> into my cart. Despite the physical surprise, and giving me a nasty look, she >>> didn't even pause her conversation. >>> >>> As you said, it makes more sense, but the general public isn't agreeable to >>> even a slight inconvenience. >>> >>> >>> Ed Price >>> El Cajon, CA >>> USA >>> >>> >>> - >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc >>> discussion list. 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