Admittedly beyond my area of expertise discussing what ³intrinsic function² means in a legalistic sense, but from a technical point-of-view, the intrinsic function of a battery is to store and dispense electrical energy. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261
From: "Conway, Patrick" <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:26:02 -0600 To: Ken Javor <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Conversation: [PSES] "Smart" Batteries Subject: RE: [PSES] "Smart" Batteries Another difference is ³tested² vs. ³qualified². In the MIL world the emc testing of a stand-alone smart-battery *may be* used for qualification, depending on the procurement. In the commercial world the emc testing of a stand-alone smart-battery *cannot be* used for qualification, due to the lack of intrinsic function. // Patrick From: Ken Javor [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] "Smart" Batteries The difference is that in the case of stand-alone batteries, they are qualified without connection to ³the equipment in which they are meant to be used... .² Instead, they are connected to a generic load representative of in situ current draw, and a fixed potential charging source with fixed low output resistance. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Bill Owsley <[email protected]> Reply-To: Bill Owsley <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:51:30 -0700 (PDT) To: Ken Javor <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: "Smart" Batteries It must be in the syntax, but it seems these two just agreed on the subject. From: Ken Javor <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:34 PM Subject: Re: "Smart" Batteries Re: "Smart" Batteries That is simply not true in the general case. What about a 28 Vdc battery that backs up the essential bus on an aircraft? What about a MANPACK battery that is discharged while being worn, and connected to a mains or generated-powered charger after the mission is over. In the commercial world, what about a battery designed to be used in an UPS? I have purchased several replacement batteries designed to replace the OEM battery in same. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 From: Cortland Richmond <[email protected]> Reply-To: <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:58:15 -0400 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: "Smart" Batteries "Smart" batteries are electronic subassemblies that don't work properly outside of the equipment in which they are meant to be used and must be tested in it. 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