On 09/15/2015 10:30 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On Tue 2015-09-15 12:17:53 -0400, Jacob L Anawalt wrote:
>> I wonder if my confusion is a lack of understanding of
>> what the Enigmail Key Management window View menu Display untrusted keys
>> setting does.
> 
> That setting should be called "Display untrusted keys" deals with
> ownertrust.  "Display invalid keys" deals with key+userid validity.
> 

OK, if "Display untrusted keys" should filter, or not, keys that I trust
to sign other keys (ownertrust), then why are 0xBADFOOD and 0xDEADBEEF
in the list with tat option unchecked?

I believed that was what the filter did as 0x8675309 did not appear in
the list until I set ownertrust, but it does not leave the list even if
I set it's ownertrust back to unknown.

>> I've turned on the Key Validity and Owner Trust columns and this is
>> what I see when I have the Display untrusted keys setting checked:
>>
>> [ Enigmail Key Management (window) ]
>> Name:                                Key ID  Key Validity    Owner Trust
>> Cert I Trust <[email protected]>       8675309 trusted         trusted
>> Jacob Lee Anawalt <janawalt@..       956CE319 ultimate       ultimate
>> Past Coworker <[email protected]>        BADFOOD -               unknown
>> Other CoWrkr <[email protected]>        DEADBEEF -              unknown

> any ownertrust set on a key that has no valid User IDs is ignored by
> GnuPG in its "classic" trust model.
> 

I'm not following how this applies here. Are you saying that Enigmail
(ala gpg) should not be showing the @work keys / user id's because they
don't appear to be valid in addition to not having owner trust set?

The @work ones aren't signed by me and are currently untrusted so it
seems they should be ignored.

Is there a command I could use with gpg/gpg2 to list just the valid
ownertrust keys? Then I could compare that output to the list.

I haven't set a trust model in gpg.conf, so I was expecting it uses
whatever is the default.

> You may need to "Reload Key Cache" in the key manager window's "File"
> menu.
> 

I've tried that a number of times. I'm not sure if the cache is memory
only or persists when the email program exits but I've closed and opened
Icedove(Thunderbird) a number of times and the listing persists.

-- 
Jacob
Debian 7
Icedove (Thunderbird) 31.8.0
Enigmail 1.8.2 (20150416-1748) -- From downloaded xpi, not from Debian

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