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On 09/16/2015 01:27 PM, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote:
> On 16.09.15 01:15, Jacob L Anawalt wrote:
>> 
>> Owner Trust mapping Enigmail  GnuPG      trust value
>> f9:ownertrust ultimate  ultimate     6               u trusted   full        
>> 5               f 
>> marginal  marginal   4               m untrusted never       3               
>> n unknown
>> undefined    2               q -         unknown     <missing>       -
> 
> Thanks for looking this up!
> 

You're welcome. I was just trying to make sure I was keeping things
straight in my head and communicating the right values. I've added
with-colons field 9 - Ownertrust values I've observed in my keyring to
the table above.

> Enigmail does not use the --export-ownertrust, but instead it uses 
> --list-keys and --with-colons. The documentation of all output is
> in the doc/Details of GnuPG source code, which for "Ownertrust" is
> quite fuzzy compared with the rest.
> 
> Enigmail should hide the following codes if "Display untrusted
> keys" is unchecked:
> 
> - / Unknown (i.e. no value assigned) n / Untrusted
> 
> I think we should both hide the "unknown"/"undefined" and 
> "untrusted/never".

Just to be clear, Enigmail's "Display untrusted keys" unchecked
currently hides:

untrusted / never / 3 / n
- - / unknown / <missing> / -

And should be changed to also hide

unknown / undefined / 2 / q

> I don't think, we should change the labelling before the OpenPGP
> summit comes up with a new unified language.
> 

That works for me. While it's been a stumbling block it's not
something I'm currently advocating.

I'd like to see alignment in all user interfaces. The word 'trust' is
in too many places with different meanings and I'm not just talking
about one UI. For example when I set 'trust' (ownertrust) in gpg and
answer 1 = I don't know or won't say and then the displayed value
changes from 'unknown' to 'undefined' I think I've done something
wrong. Wasn't it undefined before I set it to "I don't know" (which
sounds much more like 'unknown'?)

Would you like a formal bug report?

Thank you,
- -- 
Jacob
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