On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 10:30:41 -0800 Bryce Harrington <br...@osg.samsung.com> said:

> On Tue, Mar 06, 2018 at 12:06:58PM -0500, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> > On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 11:48:53 -0500
> > Cedric Bail <ced...@ddlm.me> wrote:
> > > What would be the benefit of SPI/SFC ?
> > 
> > In short they handling the financial and legal paper work and
> > compliance. They are accountants, attorneys/lawyers, etc. Things most
> > tech projects and communities lack. Handing it over to another ensures
> > things are kept in order, legal filings done on time, properly, etc.
> >
> > They do charge a fee, and are not perfect, pros and cons. Just
> > mentioning for consideration.
> 
> I work with both SPI and SFC (SPI via X.org board where I serve as
> treasurer, SFC via Inkscape where I serve as chairperson).
> 
> The fees charged by the two organizations are on income only.  SPI
> charges 5% on donations, SFC 10%.  That is in addition to paypal or
> other banking fees.  If the project has 0 income, there are 0 fees.
> They both provide a variety of services at no additional fee.

oh. that's fair. so its not an annual fee but a %. that's totally reasonable.

> SPI is a volunteer-run organization, SFC has paid staff (five people I
> believe at current).  Both organizations have financial experts and
> lawyers, so can and do help handle financial and legal issues.  Both
> organizations take care of most/all the paperwork associated with taxes,
> travel sponsorships, Google Summer of Code, reimbursements for project
> expenses, contracting (including paid development work), etc.  SFC
> helped Inkscape with trademark registration for its logo and branding.
> SPI helped X.org with Khronos membership to register Mesa as officially
> compliant with Vulkan 1.0.
> 
> In general, I've tended to find SFC much more responsive to inquiries
> and issues than SPI.  For example, I can get financial transaction data
> from my SFC-based project within a week or two lag, whereas for
> SPI-based projects the lag can be many months (but they're working on
> improving that).  Email responses from SFC tend to be return in a few
> days; SPI can be a week or two and may require a couple followups to get
> a response.  Faster followups and more timely access to transaction data
> would be nice, but I've otherwise found both organizations helpful and
> adequate to my projects' needs.  Be aware that there can be some drama
> of various sorts, but as my projects haven't ever been affected I have
> no comment or concerns personally; YMMV.
> 
> I was involved in both the X.org Board prior to joining SPI, and the
> Inkscape Board prior to joining SFC, and will relate that in both cases
> the move has been beneficial.  Not having to deal with taxes and
> assorted non-profit paperwork removed a HUGE headache, gaining the
> ability to accept donations as tax deductable with no fuss.  Tapping
> them for handling finances enabled both increased donation activities
> and improved expenditure handling, moving from donation amounts in the
> $1's and $10's up to $1000's and $10,000's.  Having them on hand to deal
> with legal and contractual issues is an enjoyable convenience.

that sounds positive. from someone with experience.

> HTH,
> Bryce
> 
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