All right, I'll reply to your points.
> No. You are just incorrect.
>
>
>> There is really only so much you can do with current E themes, and it's
>>
> why so may are slight mods of each other
>
> The reason why most of the themes are slight mods of each other is two fold:
>
> 1.) Elementary's theme engine is very powerful and allows more
> customization than any other theme engine. Because of this creating new
> themes is a great deal of work.
>
> this gets exasperated by
>
> 2.) There is very limited documentation on creating themes with Elementary.
>
> Users being able to copy+paste other users desktop layouts is not going to
> change the fact that the default E theme draws a pile of flak every time it
> is shared outside of the E community. Those copied layouts will still be
> using the same themes as everything else.
>
>
Yes, it is a great deal of work to create a truly different theme...
and so you run into diminishing returns. Why spend so much effort
when 'all' it will really do is set new 'images' on the existing desktop
gadgetry?
It is potentially more rewarding to create a cool looking gui,
even if it's just a matter of identifying some interesting layout
of gadgets (and their themes) to place on the desktop.
And that is in fact what many users do on their own - they create
a cool gui via such means... And unfortunately, all they can really 'share'
of that.. is a screenshot.
>> They do not really allow for a fully creative approach to desktop theming.
>>
>
> This is vague and non-specific. How does the most powerful themeing engine
> for the Unix desktop not allow "a fully creative approach"?
>
>
It doesn't allow for creating distributable 'gui shells', it only allows
you to change the 'images' of existing E desktop components and distribute
that.
A user or designer can create their own cool looking desktop by placing
gadgets here and there, etc.. but they can't easily share their cool
looking
desktop with anyone.
Shell-theming isn't just about skinning a fixed set of gadgets, it's
more about
creating a layout of components/gadgets on the desktop(s) that could give
a different look&feel to the whole gui. It's a very powerful, creative
activity
that many can engage in and share with others - and they can create some
really
cool, compelling guis... and that brings attention to E.
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Jose Gonzalez <jose_...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Maybe... or maybe you're just not thinking deeply enough about it.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It doesn't sound like you know what you are talking about.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Jose Gonzalez <jose_...@juno.com>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> If you want to grow your user base then there's no 'easier' way
>>>> than to have E support distributable shell-theming (restricted profiles
>>>> if you want). It's the best way to attract the attention of new and
>>>>
>> devoted
>>
>>>> users and designers... those that will evangelize E for its coolness.
>>>> There is really only so much you can do with current E themes, and
>>>> it's why so may are slight mods of each other... They do not really
>>>>
>> allow
>>
>>>> for a fully creative approach to desktop theming.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'd rather see more work on better/larger variety of E themes before we
>>>>> work on a profile distributor. As is there are only two fully feature
>>>>> complete E19 themes that are unique. Most of the rest are either
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> copy+paste
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> jobs of the two complete themes or they are missing a lot of things
>>>>>
>> (such
>>
>>>>> as elm components).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Jose Gonzalez <jose_...@juno.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps it's really more a reflection of people 'bored' with
>>>>>> the same kind of 'standard' desktops they've been seeing
>>>>>> for so many years now?
>>>>>> As I've suggested before, a feature for E that would make it
>>>>>> far more interesting is a 'shell-theming' capability that would be
>>>>>> distributable - i.e. a module to allow people to make and distribute
>>>>>> the look&feel of the desktop (things like the bg and arrangement
>>>>>> of various gadgets on virtual desktops, etc).
>>>>>> Along with some new, cool gadgets (or extensions of some
>>>>>> current ones, like allowing for the main menu to hold other gadgets)
>>>>>> this would be a very attractive selling feature for E distributions...
>>>>>> Designers and normal users can make or download all sorts of
>>>>>> nice 'shell-themes' just as they now do with ordinary E themes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As with every Bodhi release, the trolls really come out with regards
>>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enlightenment theme. Some real gems over here ->
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> http://www.webupd8.org/2015/02/bodhi-linux-300-available-for-download.html
>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Tom Hacohen <
>>>>>>>
>> tom.haco...@samsung.com>
>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 17/02/15 09:25, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First Bodhi stable release featuring an Ubuntu 14.04 core and the
>>>>>>>>>
>> E19
>>
>>>>>>>>> destkop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.bodhilinux.com/2015/02/17/bodhi-linux-3-0-0-release/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm an Arch user myself, but I still love and appreciate your work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glad to have you back. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Tom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>
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