Jeff wrote:
> You are again just wrong. Users can copy the contents of their profile from
> their ~/.e directory and send it to whoever they'd like to use it.
>
> That is all distro maintainers are doing when they distribute pre-built
> profiles.
>
Yes distro maintainers can... But arbitrary users/designers? Could
such a user
generated profile config include things like passwords, odd key bindings,
fixed paths, ....?
Do you have a Bodhi repo of such cool user generated 'profiles' that
people
upload so others can download them and thus have similar cool guis?
> Again though - moving the widgets around on the screen is far from creating
> an entirely new theme. No one is complaining about the layout of the
> desktop. They dislike the dated look the default blue theme has.
>
>
I'm not arguing against the need for nice E themes, just that if you
want to really grow your user base, and create some attention to E's
capabilities (and your Distro), then 'shell-theming' is a far more
productive
way than just more E themes.
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Jose Gonzalez <jose_...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Simon wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/22/2015 02:08 PM, Jose Gonzalez wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you want to grow your user base then there's no 'easier' way
>>>> than to have E support distributable shell-theming (restricted profiles
>>>> if you want). It's the best way to attract the attention of new and
>>>>
>> devoted
>>
>>>> users and designers... those that will evangelize E for its coolness.
>>>> There is really only so much you can do with current E themes, and
>>>> it's why so may are slight mods of each other... They do not really
>>>>
>> allow
>>
>>>> for a fully creative approach to desktop theming.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Most of what your talking about is already possible, and all of it is
>>> possible for distro maintainers, It is possible to set and include
>>> wallpapers, fdo icon themes and cursor themes from within a existing
>>> profile. As a theme designer about the only thing that wasn't possible
>>> in e19 was semi transparent windows but i asked nicely and it will be
>>> possible with e20.
>>>
>>> It is possible to ship profiles, I have been doing it with openSUSE for
>>> ages, it just requires a little work have a look at
>>>
>>>
>> https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/X11:Enlightenment:Factory/enlightenment-profiles-openSUSE
>>
>>> just take the profiles in the tar and put them in
>>> /usr/share/enlightenment/data/config/ normally i create them by logging
>>> in with a test account setting up my layout then running the right, have
>>> a look at
>>>
>>>
>> http://sleepwalker-hnd.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/e17-0174-efl-178-update-problem-at-start.html
>>
>>> yes it would be kinda nice if there was a more automated way of doing
>>> that, but its not a distro issue its a core e issue, I think I talked to
>>> raster about it a couple of years back and like all things its mostly
>>> just time.
>>>
>>> If you want to know whats possible have a look at
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/display.php?image=e-548ae08770d724.09363033.jpg
>>
>>>
>> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/display.php?image=e-548ad796dde145.72133123.jpg
>>
>>> I am slowly working on that theme its about 15% done, the enlightenment
>>> theme is 10's of thousands of lines of code + all the images you need to
>>> do, making a theme from scratch would be atleast a man month of full
>>> time work, this is one of the reasons why there are people working on
>>> theme editors to make writing themes quicker and easier, I use a bunch
>>> of scripts that make some of this process a little easier but its still
>>> plenty of work
>>>
>>>
>> http://simotek.net/tech/projects/opensuse-e/darkmod-enlightenment-theme-converter/
>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> From what I recall, and I admit that it's been a while, it is not
>> really
>> possible for a user to distribute a profile they create. Distro maintainers
>> yes, but not designers/users who want to share their 'gui shell' -
>> certainly
>> not in a way similar to how one can share current E themes.
>> I'm well aware of what 'is possible', but it's not easy for people to
>> create and share such.
>>
>>
>>>>> I'd rather see more work on better/larger variety of E themes before we
>>>>> work on a profile distributor. As is there are only two fully feature
>>>>> complete E19 themes that are unique. Most of the rest are either
>>>>>
>> copy+paste
>>
>>>>> jobs of the two complete themes or they are missing a lot of things
>>>>>
>> (such
>>
>>>>> as elm components).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Jose Gonzalez <jose_...@juno.com>
>>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps it's really more a reflection of people 'bored' with
>>>>>> the same kind of 'standard' desktops they've been seeing
>>>>>> for so many years now?
>>>>>> As I've suggested before, a feature for E that would make it
>>>>>> far more interesting is a 'shell-theming' capability that would be
>>>>>> distributable - i.e. a module to allow people to make and distribute
>>>>>> the look&feel of the desktop (things like the bg and arrangement
>>>>>> of various gadgets on virtual desktops, etc).
>>>>>> Along with some new, cool gadgets (or extensions of some
>>>>>> current ones, like allowing for the main menu to hold other gadgets)
>>>>>> this would be a very attractive selling feature for E distributions...
>>>>>> Designers and normal users can make or download all sorts of
>>>>>> nice 'shell-themes' just as they now do with ordinary E themes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As with every Bodhi release, the trolls really come out with regards
>>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enlightenment theme. Some real gems over here ->
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> http://www.webupd8.org/2015/02/bodhi-linux-300-available-for-download.html
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:50 AM, Tom Hacohen <
>>>>>>>
>> tom.haco...@samsung.com>
>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 17/02/15 09:25, Jeff Hoogland wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First Bodhi stable release featuring an Ubuntu 14.04 core and the
>>>>>>>>>
>> E19
>>
>>>>>>>>> destkop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.bodhilinux.com/2015/02/17/bodhi-linux-3-0-0-release/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm an Arch user myself, but I still love and appreciate your work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glad to have you back. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Tom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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