I did look up the brain reference Adrian - but didn't find what I was after. Practical concerns take most of my time just now. There is a great deal that decent human kind doesn't need to know in order to be decent, much as birds don't need knowing consciousness to flock. I spotted something in a biological bulletin a few weeks back but seem to have lost my connection. It was about some kind of physical find indicating multi-dimensional activities in thinking processes. I would once have been able to go straight back to the reference on memory, but need to catalogue everything these days and didn't. It will probably turn up in memory when I get to plant my autumn vegetables - if this rain stops and lets me throw some real horseshit into the ground. Mathematical perceptions are not just calculated - something else is profoundly involved in the very conscious awareness that the world of perception is all about. The place of mind in relation to physical theory is currently rather incongruous. Inter- relating features of different worlds need to be understood, even if we really live in one world we somewhat barely glimpse. Some of us want to know more - but we should remember that there are many fraudulent ways to appear clever and some very rotten reasons some want to appear so. I quickly know when people are talking rot in my specialist areas, yet also that I write rot in order to attend conferences and the like from time to time. I also know that some of my colleagues could not spot talent as long as they have holes in their ... There is sometimes new work that lays out new paths and potential, but it is rare that this comes from left field. Academe soon deteriorates into the kind of ad hominem (SNERTING etc) we can find all over the Net. It may be disguised in politesse and etiquette, yet one can smell that it is mannered nastiness. I tend to prefer working with people who will tell me to sod off and can take jibes without paranoid response. They are few and far between.
On 3 Sep, 22:03, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *** strongly suggests reading Abū Hamīd bin Abū Bakr Ibrāhīm's "Manteq > al-Tayr (Conversation of the Birds)" *** > > On Sep 3, 1:20 pm, Georges Metanomski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Birsds of feather flock together. Under the "idiot" motto. > > > --- On Wed, 9/3/08, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: [epistemology 9371] Re: a fierce tale told by an idiot > > > To: "Epistemology" <[email protected]> > > > Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 9:11 PM > > > Thank you. > > > > On Sep 3, 1:57 am, adrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Installment no 2. After thinking over whether to stay > > > linear or go beyond. > > > > I'm going beyond. Plato suffers from nominalism. > > > If an idea can be captured in a word, it's > > > > usually made into a noun which usuallly names an > > > object which then has to be given a location > > > > somewhere. It's obvious that ideas don't grow > > > on trees and are not found in rabbit holes or > > > > squirrel's nests, so it must be somewhere else. > > > Since I don't speak ancient gReek or am in > > > > touch with the Greek zeitgeist It is possible it is > > > not Plato but translation into a modern > > > > language with those faults that distort such things. > > > Photons are an example. If they were > > > > actually photons, light particles, the sky should be > > > lit up like a Neon shopping site. It is > > > > not, so a better explanation would be that whatever it > > > is, a radiation, changes into light when > > > > hitting earth surrounding energy fields. > > > > Occultism ditto. It talks about the Akashic records, > > > name first coined by Madame Blavatsky. > > > > There are no angels with sharpened feathers writing it > > > all down on papyrus or bleached > > > > sheepskins. NO factories in heaven. Heaven would need > > > extra buildings pretty fast, not to > > > > ignore the legions of clerics to read them. Besides I > > > doubt heaven is interested in trivia > > > > collecting. If it rains there's no little pages > > > with placards running around with" "this is > > > > rain" printed on them. Rain is its own > > > information you readily interpret, eh! > > > > So let's assume information all sentient life is > > > equipped to interpret to advantage of its own > > > > survival and comfort. A rabbit found grazing alongside > > > a very noisy highway ran away when > > > > somebody trod on the grass nearby. Obviously rabbit > > > knew the noise was not going to kill it but > > > > as to humans it was not so sure. > > > > Get the message? It applies to many other things, even > > > cosmology where we should not plaster > > > > our silly parochial ideas across the sky and complain > > > when it turns out not to be the case. I > > > > have been visited by what one may call an angel. A > > > polycoloured sphere, size varies. Ancient > > > > and up to medieval ideas have it they can shape > > > change, something Sheldrake is into as > > > > morphogenesis and calls it science, haha. That > > > happened at Lourdes when the Virgin Mary visited > > > > those children. Other people saw flying saucers. My > > > daughter just visited and told me her > > > > oldest daughter is attended by invisible to daughter > > > monsters who do a brilliant job of > > > > manipulating mummy and Daddy, which sound like an > > > intelligent solution to me. My own son when > > > > he passed through the nightmare stage, which is when > > > children discover is not as nice a place > > > > as they believed before, etc blahh. WE discussed the > > > matter and invented a lioness who slept > > > > under the bed during the day and came out and, like > > > the cat, to sleep at his feet on top of the > > > > bed. No more nightmares. I never found out where she > > > went when he grew up some more and did not > > > > need her any more. Grand daughters monsters have all > > > manner of hiding places but they always > > > > know when she needs them. Daughter's hubby got a > > > new job in Wellington and we're both curious > > > > where the monsters are going to hide now. 2nd grad > > > daughter has not yet decided to join the > > > > human race and seems like to be one of our families > > > later developers. I very much doubt she's > > > > mentally deficient, just does not happen in our > > > family. Besides her beady little eyes are flat > > > > out watching everything. Speaking personally I never > > > had any invisible friends, did not need > > > > the. I knew quite well how to play off one addled > > > adult against another. > > > > > Since mythology was much into process > > > thinking about actions but pre-alphabetic writing in > > > > eidolon, images that included personification its > > > quite possible Plato used the Greek language > > > > in that way. Indian godly pantheons and Egypt have > > > plenty examples of the kind. It's quite > > > > possible to have very sophisticated thinking alongside > > > crude portrayal. I don't know what Plato > > > > thought. But I'm quite sure modern translations > > > don't have a clue about all that. This last > > > > sentence is an example of nominalisation as it > > > ain't the translation but the translators that > > > > make the mistake, but no great matter. Always think > > > into the blank space below the fine print > > > > on the bottom line. > > > > > Another time I'll talk about ARS memoriae, arts of > > > Memory antiquity used. Remind me if I don't. > > > > They're used to stuff untold masses of data > > > between the ears, needed when you are a story > > > > teller, poets, etc. Look up Dame Frances Yates on > > > "the art of Memory, 1966 she opened up this > > > > can of worms, and Giardano Bruno, Ramon Lully, John > > > Dee and there's now more stuff on internet, > > > > quite recent, getting pop, about time. It'll help > > > you with Arica. I've got quite a list of > > > > them. see > > > http://www.synaptic.ch/infoliths/textes/arsmem.htm I > > > happened across. > > > > > adrian > > > > > ornamentalmind wrote: > > > > > adrian, perhaps you would be willing to share a > > > short overview of your > > > > > views re: Plato?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
