Yes, no?? It could be perhaps that matter, ie brain, etc is the memory of an experience, ie its form, model, mapping and the brain, as a whole a composite of the lot. Not the tissue but the neural traces. At least that's how I think of it, matter being those memory traces that work and fantasy ones that don't quite make it or have not made it yet. After all a baby, when born is a not yet finished form and both body and brain are added'extended by what intrigues, turns on and off that baby. I recently planted some nettles [ I use them for gout ] and the plant retracted down to the roots to re-emerge again. I think of that as it having to get used to a new soil condition from the transplant. Carl Jung with his patients made them draw mandalas of their psyche. The same thing, when it changed it went into a null state to re-emerge with a new, another mandala. However since reality does not listen to us, we have to conform with it, you can only tell by whether it works in harmony with the rest. That is a sort of ecological view of it. It sort of makes me feel OK about it. Not a clue what it does for others. And I don't imagine IT is much concerned with how the material aspect of our being thinks of it by way of what individuals do.
""Pooh knew what he meant, but, being a Bear of Very Little Brain, couldn't think of the words. --The House At Pooh Corner """The sun was so delightfully warm, and the stone, which had been sitting in it for a long time, was so warm, too, that Pooh had almost decided to go on being Pooh in the middle of the stream for the rest of the morning... --The House At Pooh Corner """There is nothing lacking in you, and you yourself are no different from the Buddha. Be boundless and absolutely free from all conditions. Be free to go in any direction you like. Do not act to do good, nor to pursue evil. Whether you walk or stay, sit or lie down, all are the wonderful activity of the Great Enlightened One. It is all joy, free from anxiety - it is called Buddha. --Tao-hsin """As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter. * “Das Wesen der Materie” (The Nature of Matter), speech at Florence, Italy, 1944 (from Archiv zur Geschichte der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, Abt. Va, Rep. 11 Planck, Nr. 1797) 'Wesen" in German means most what Heidegger called Dasein, ie being IN "ITness". adrian Mynsie wrote: > Is it perhaps, rather than "intelligence" the memory of experience at > play here, > not necessarily our own, but a "collective memory? > > Merrie > ---------------------- > A closed mouth gathers no feet. > > On 22-Oct-08, at 5:23 AM, archytas wrote: > >> This no knowing does not help much in understanding why I do not allow >> my grandson to play in traffic. >> Brains don't know, people do - yet there seems to be 'intelligence' at >> work in all information exchange, or possibly a world of information >> as well as matter. Organisations (organic and otherwise) 'know' in >> some senses. I'd just question whether the question gives us >> important leads. >> On 21 Oct, 13:37, adrian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> The "knowing brain" does not know anything, it's a fiction. >>> Reality per se does not need or use a map or mapping code, though >>> we do in 3rd person mode. >>> Reality exists before man and after man, as nicely themed by >>> Stapledon. Consciousness, soul, >>> sentience or whatever the blah word chosen is the bottom line. Chop >>> that out and there is no >>> knowing. And, yes 'know' is one of the less felicitous words >>> around. Castaneda uses tonal and >>> nagual, which is a traditional dualism when respective to real and >>> illusion there is no dualism >>> possible. >>> >>> adrian >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
