Our genes are influenced by such 'knowledges' as the common cold virus (which is how it makes us feel lousy). Science does generally allow repetition and allows us to recognise mistakes. Our history is apparently one of mistakes and the repetition of them in ignorance or cunning. My idea of unity would be one of a non-hierarchical state in which ideas were not attributal to subjects but mind, yet I sense there is subjectivity to overcome without loss of individuality - a lifeworld needs to overcome systemic pathology to achieve enough of this for us to move on.
On 23 Oct, 21:53, adrian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now it gets tougher and more complex in understanding. We project our ideas > into reality. How > that works out shows up at the end of our actions where it has effects and > consequences. > Reality is a continuum, ie, a genuine whole in which everything is the case. > So it depends on > how good is our judgment. We are part and parcel of that continuum but there > the quality and > calibre of our sentience varies, and worse than so called socially formal IQ > tests, haha. Mind > is distinct from matter and prior to the aether or sea of energy which is > changed into form by > interaction of mind with aether. Matter is a more or less stable form of > energy, just a form. > > The order of real biz is mind, aether as energy flows, hopefully chaotic, > plasma as in the > process of formation or affected by mind, ours, or maybe just IT, matter as > stabilised for the > duration. If mind were truly separate it could not affect matter, so it > begins to be the case > that mind affects matter, but to what degree and so on varies with people's > ability and > potential. A Lama, able to affect matter, takes some 30 years of training or > discipline. Baby > "knows" but does not understand, that's what takes time. Baby can think but > how well? It has no > self sense, but soon enough acquires one. Babies have been dug out live from > disasters, like > being buried alive for several days when material common sense tells us that > cannot happen. So > will that happen for all babies any time? Science, silly enough, insists > knowledge is > repeatable and predictable which is nonsense. Why do we have a hieratic setup > for science that > ends up with Nobel prize winners? This last is realistic, the first is not. > > """“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter > if I have said it, > unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.” - Gautama > Buddha > ""Man is arrogant in proportion of his ignorance," Bulwer-Lytton. Zanoni > """http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-Erwin-Schrodinger.htm &go new > scientist > What we observe as material bodies and forces are nothing but shapes and > variations in the > structure of space. Particles are just schaumkommen (appearances). ... ## ok > if we think of > space as vacuum or aether. > """" The world is given to me only once, not one existing and one perceived. > Subject and object > are only one. The barrier between them cannot be said to have broken down as > a result of recent > experience in the physical sciences, for this barrier does not exist. ... > Erwin schrodinger > ME> We've changed our minds about the schaumkommen as Einsteinian space > curvature since > Schrodinger died, but otherwise it still stands. > """"“We are all crazy, but those that analyze their craziness are called > philosophers” > I dunno what are called those who can synergise or synthesise their insight? > But that's the > next hurdle to come. > > adrian. > > > > Mynsie wrote: > > Hmm - very interesting. > > > Is it possible reality doesn't listen to us because we create it with > > our > > thoughts, moment by moment, and so can not listen, but simply occurs > > and by occurring as it does, represents harmony with our thoughts. Now, > > whether our thoughts are in harmony with all other aspects that exist > > within this Cosmos is perhaps a different story. > > > Is mind and body truly separate within the premise of creating our > > reality > > by thought, or is one the extension of the other, or rather totally > > inclusive of each other? If so the baby would know and understands it's > > environment very well I would think. It can not speak, but it can think. > > > Merrie > > ---------------------- > > A closed mouth gathers no feet. > > > On 23-Oct-08, at 1:18 AM, adrian wrote: > > >> Yes, no?? It could be perhaps that matter, ie brain, etc is the > >> memory of an experience, ie > >> its form, model, mapping and the brain, as a whole a composite of > >> the lot. Not the tissue but > >> the neural traces. At least that's how I think of it, matter being > >> those memory traces that > >> work and fantasy ones that don't quite make it or have not made it > >> yet. After all a baby, when > >> born is a not yet finished form and both body and brain are > >> added'extended by what intrigues, > >> turns on and off that baby. I recently planted some nettles [ I use > >> them for gout ] and the > >> plant retracted down to the roots to re-emerge again. I think of > >> that as it having to get used > >> to a new soil condition from the transplant. Carl Jung with his > >> patients made them draw > >> mandalas of their psyche. The same thing, when it changed it went > >> into a null state to > >> re-emerge with a new, another mandala. > >> However since reality does not listen to us, we have to conform with > >> it, you can only tell by > >> whether it works in harmony with the rest. That is a sort of > >> ecological view of it. It sort of > >> makes me feel OK about it. Not a clue what it does for others. And I > >> don't imagine IT is much > >> concerned with how the material aspect of our being thinks of it by > >> way of what individuals do. > > >> ""Pooh knew what he meant, but, being a Bear of Very Little Brain, > >> couldn't think of the > >> words. --The House At Pooh Corner > >> """The sun was so delightfully warm, and the stone, which had been > >> sitting in it for a long > >> time, was so warm, too, that Pooh had almost decided to go on being > >> Pooh in the middle of the > >> stream for the rest of the morning... --The House At Pooh Corner > > >> """There is nothing lacking in you, and you yourself are no > >> different from the Buddha. Be > >> boundless and absolutely free from all conditions. Be free to go in > >> any direction you like. Do > >> not act to do good, nor to pursue evil. Whether you walk or stay, > >> sit or lie down, all are the > >> wonderful activity of the Great Enlightened One. It is all joy, free > >> from anxiety - it is > >> called Buddha. --Tao-hsin > > >> """As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed > >> science, to the study of > >> matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this > >> much: There is no matter as > >> such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force > >> which brings the particle of > >> an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the > >> atom together. We must > >> assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and > >> intelligent mind. This mind is the > >> matrix of all matter. * “Das Wesen der Materie” (The Nature of > >> Matter), speech at Florence, > >> Italy, 1944 (from Archiv zur Geschichte der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, > >> Abt. Va, Rep. 11 Planck, > >> Nr. 1797) > > >> 'Wesen" in German means most what Heidegger called Dasein, ie being > >> IN "ITness". > > >> adrian > > >> Mynsie wrote: > >>> Is it perhaps, rather than "intelligence" the memory of experience at > >>> play here, > >>> not necessarily our own, but a "collective memory? > > >>> Merrie > >>> ---------------------- > >>> A closed mouth gathers no feet.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
