Hmm - very interesting.

Is it possible reality doesn't listen to us because we create it with  
our
thoughts, moment by moment, and so can not listen, but simply occurs
and by occurring as it does, represents harmony with our thoughts. Now,
whether our thoughts are in harmony with all other aspects that exist
within this Cosmos is perhaps a different story.

Is mind and body truly separate within the premise of creating our  
reality
by thought, or is one the extension of the other, or rather totally
inclusive of each other? If so the baby would know and understands it's
environment very well I would think. It can not speak, but it can think.

Merrie
----------------------
A closed mouth gathers no feet.


On 23-Oct-08, at 1:18 AM, adrian wrote:

>
> Yes, no??  It could be perhaps that matter, ie brain, etc is the  
> memory of an experience, ie
> its form, model, mapping and the brain, as a whole a composite of  
> the lot. Not the tissue but
> the neural traces.  At least that's how I think of it, matter being  
> those memory traces that
> work and fantasy ones that don't quite make it or have not made it  
> yet. After all a baby, when
> born is a not yet finished form and both body and brain are  
> added'extended by what intrigues,
> turns on and off that baby. I recently planted some nettles [ I use  
> them for gout ] and the
> plant retracted down to the roots to re-emerge again. I think of  
> that as it having to get used
> to a new soil condition from the transplant. Carl Jung with his  
> patients made them draw
> mandalas of their psyche. The same thing, when it changed it went  
> into a null state to
> re-emerge with a new, another mandala.
> However since reality does not listen to us, we have to conform with  
> it, you can only tell by
> whether it works in harmony with the rest. That is a sort of  
> ecological view of it. It sort of
> makes me feel OK about it. Not a clue what it does for others. And I  
> don't imagine IT is much
> concerned with how the material aspect of our being thinks of it by  
> way of what individuals do.
>
> ""Pooh knew what he meant, but, being a Bear of Very  Little Brain,  
> couldn't think of the
> words. --The House At Pooh Corner
> """The sun was so delightfully warm, and the stone, which had been  
> sitting in it for a long
> time, was so warm, too, that Pooh had almost decided to go on being  
> Pooh in the middle of the
> stream for the rest of the morning... --The House At Pooh Corner
>
> """There is nothing lacking in you, and you yourself are no  
> different from the Buddha. Be
> boundless and absolutely free from all conditions. Be free to go in  
> any direction you like. Do
> not act to do good, nor to pursue evil. Whether you walk or stay,  
> sit or lie down, all are the
> wonderful activity of the Great Enlightened One. It is all joy, free  
> from anxiety - it is
> called Buddha.  --Tao-hsin
>
> """As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed  
> science, to the study of
> matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this  
> much: There is no matter as
> such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force  
> which brings the particle of
> an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the  
> atom together. We must
> assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and  
> intelligent mind. This mind is the
> matrix of all matter.  * “Das Wesen der Materie” (The Nature of  
> Matter), speech at Florence,
> Italy, 1944 (from Archiv zur Geschichte der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft,  
> Abt. Va, Rep. 11 Planck,
> Nr. 1797)
>
> 'Wesen" in German means most what Heidegger called Dasein, ie being  
> IN  "ITness".
>
> adrian
>
>
>
> Mynsie wrote:
>> Is it perhaps, rather than "intelligence" the memory of experience at
>> play here,
>> not necessarily our own, but a "collective memory?
>>
>> Merrie
>> ----------------------
>> A closed mouth gathers no feet.
>>
>>

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