Jukka! Shame on you. Fuel cells in Teslas (ones that work, are practical and don't cost twice as much as the rest of the car) are a pipe dream. If you haven't already, I suggest you read... http://planetforlife.com/h2/h2conclude.html ...and the associated pages (the link is to the conclusion). It is a bit dated now (2004) but the laws of physics and chemistry have not changed much, so the conclusion is still valid. H2 fuel cells as a replacement for fossil fuelled ICEs (or battery electric drive trains for that matter) in personal transport vehicles do not work and probably never will. For a host of reasons.
Regards, MW. On 22 Jun 2013, at 09:26, Jukka Järvinen wrote: > Marcus, I believe you're on the right path with your thinking. > > With the quickly swappable battery pack a car owner can choose which kind > of battery to rent/lease/buy. > > Even changing ones mind would be effortless. Click and go. > > We will see different chemistries and battery technologies that can be > quickly deployed and tried out. Tesla can sell this as service to battery > developers. Vehicle users can participate and they get paid to drive the > 'new 1000 mile' packs. > > This was exactly the thing I tried to market to EV bus fleet operators. The > vehicle donor lasts very long time if it's designed right and good > materials are used. > > Battery pack however is the weakest link and is consumed during the years. > Since battery materials can be recycled the smartest way to make money with > batteries is to lease the very same materials for next 50 years. Just > recycle in between and keep it in operation as long as possible. If I > understood right the Sinopoly press release they took this path in China. > Smart move. > > We could see also many other funny things emerging. I bet we'll see even a > hydrogen fuel cells under Model S. The swappable system can be anything > which provides the electricity to the vehicle. Maybe even ICE genset form > GM ... :P > > Elon has courage and resources to do things that we can only keep on > dreaming. But I got no offer when I asked if I could buy just the donor > Model S and make my own pack on it. :) > > -akkuJukka > > > 2013/6/22 Marcus Reddish <[email protected]> >> >> Would Tesla rather find bad cells when the customer has a failure? (with >> media fanfare) >> >> Or in the leisure of their battery swap station? It allows them to >> maintenance the weakest part of the car without the customer even knowing >> it. >> >> Brilliant. >> >> If the warranty has them on the hook with packs failing early it would be > a >> dissaster. This allows them to address any battery issues quietly in > their >> bunker by swapping in 'good' batts. >> >> If these cover the world the sheer NUMBER of tiny cells involved becomes >> staggering... me thinks he is getting serious wholesale battery deals.. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Chris Tromley <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >>> I have tremendous respect for Tesla, but I think they've taken a > seriously >>> wrong turn here. Swapping has been debated ad nauseum. It's an > enticing >>> concept, but there are far too many ways it can fail in the real world. >>> Elon better have something very clever up his sleeve or this will likely >>> turn into a very visible failure. Hopefully it just disappears quietly. >>> >>> Chris _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
