Marcus, I believe you're on the right path with your thinking. With the quickly swappable battery pack a car owner can choose which kind of battery to rent/lease/buy.
Even changing ones mind would be effortless. Click and go. We will see different chemistries and battery technologies that can be quickly deployed and tried out. Tesla can sell this as service to battery developers. Vehicle users can participate and they get paid to drive the 'new 1000 mile' packs. This was exactly the thing I tried to market to EV bus fleet operators. The vehicle donor lasts very long time if it's designed right and good materials are used. Battery pack however is the weakest link and is consumed during the years. Since battery materials can be recycled the smartest way to make money with batteries is to lease the very same materials for next 50 years. Just recycle in between and keep it in operation as long as possible. If I understood right the Sinopoly press release they took this path in China. Smart move. We could see also many other funny things emerging. I bet we'll see even a hydrogen fuel cells under Model S. The swappable system can be anything which provides the electricity to the vehicle. Maybe even ICE genset form GM ... :P Elon has courage and resources to do things that we can only keep on dreaming. But I got no offer when I asked if I could buy just the donor Model S and make my own pack on it. :) -akkuJukka 2013/6/22 Marcus Reddish <[email protected]> > > Would Tesla rather find bad cells when the customer has a failure? (with > media fanfare) > > Or in the leisure of their battery swap station? It allows them to > maintenance the weakest part of the car without the customer even knowing > it. > > Brilliant. > > If the warranty has them on the hook with packs failing early it would be a > dissaster. This allows them to address any battery issues quietly in their > bunker by swapping in 'good' batts. > > If these cover the world the sheer NUMBER of tiny cells involved becomes > staggering... me thinks he is getting serious wholesale battery deals.. > > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Chris Tromley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have tremendous respect for Tesla, but I think they've taken a seriously > > wrong turn here. Swapping has been debated ad nauseum. It's an enticing > > concept, but there are far too many ways it can fail in the real world. > > Elon better have something very clever up his sleeve or this will likely > > turn into a very visible failure. Hopefully it just disappears quietly. > > > > Chris > > On Jun 21, 2013 8:17 AM, "Cor van de Water" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The Tesla video shows them swapping a Tesla pack on-stage in 90 secs > > > flat > > > from driving onto the swapping unit until driving off. > > > > > > While they swap the packs in 2 Teslas, they have a parallel video > > > of someone filling his gas tank as fast as he could - which takes approx > > > 4 minutes (at the fastest station they could find nearby), so they > > > actually have to wait for him to complete the fillup after the second > > > Tesla S has left the swapping station... > > > > > > The comment: now you can choose between free and fast. > > > (The fast-charging of Tesla is free, the fast-swapping apparently costs > > > about the same as a fillup - they show the end result of the fillup at > > > $99 so that may be an indication of the price, I did not catch how much > > > a swap actually is going to cost. > > > > > > http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap > > > > > > > > > Cor van de Water > > > Chief Scientist > > > Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com > > > Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.info > > > Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > > Behalf Of brucedp5 > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 12:17 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla Parades EV Battery Swap Technology > > > > > > > > > http://www.dailytech.com/Tesla+to+Show+Off+EV+Battery+Swap+Tech+This+Wee > > > k/article31784.htm > > > [image] Tesla to Show Off EV Battery Swap Tech This Week > > > by Tiffany Kaiser Jun 18 2013 Source: Giga Om > > > > > > [image > > > http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/30878_large_Tesla-Model-S-Superchargi > > > ng-GS-thumb-598xauto-6081.jpg > > > (Source: consumerreports.org) > > > ] > > > > > > Tesla will demo its battery swap technology for the Model S > > > > > > Tesla will be demonstrating its battery swap technology this week in > > > hopes > > > of successfully launching an alternative to electric vehicle (EV) > > > charging. > > > > > > Tesla CEO Elon Musk announced via Twitter that the automaker will show > > > off > > > swappable batteries at its design studio in Hawthorne, California this > > > Thursday evening at 8 p.m. PST. > > > > > > The idea behind battery swapping is to easily open the car chassis to > > > pull > > > the battry out and replace it with a fully-charged one. This saves the > > > driver from having to wait for their battery to charge before traveling > > > -- > > > especially on a road trip that's longer than the available electric > > > range of > > > their battery. > > > > > > This technology hasn't really taken off yet (although it was attempted > > > before by Better Place and automaker Renault). The main issue is > > > infrastructure, mainly because it's so expensive to deploy. But with > > > Tesla's > > > ever-increasing number of Super Charger stations, adding a battery swap > > > service to these areas could be an ideal solution. > > > > > > Tesla's Model S is capable of battery swap, but it hasn't really been > > > implemented yet. Tesla is looking to change that this Thursday. > > > > > > Tesla has proved to be the superhero of the American electric car > > > startup > > > world. It was approved to receive a $465 million loan from the U.S. > > > Department of Energy (DOE) in June 2009, which was part of the Advanced > > > Technology Vehicles Manufacturing program. The loan was to be repaid by > > > 2022, but in March of this year, Tesla received permission to pay the > > > loan > > > back five years early by mid-2017. > > > > > > However, Tesla managed to repay the whole sum last month -- nine years > > > earlier than expected from the original 2022 due date. This was mainly > > > due > > > to its decision to issue more stock the week before. Tesla said it > > > wanted to > > > sell about $830 million in shares, and use $450 million in convertible > > > senior notes (which are due in 2018) along with sales of 2.7 million > > > shares > > > (valued at about $229 million at the time) to pay back its federal loan. > > > > > > This is an especially crucial detail in Tesla's history, considering > > > other > > > plug-in hybrid electric automaker Fisker Automotive (which also received > > > a > > > DOE loan) has failed miserably. > > > > > > Before that, Tesla started shipping 500 Model S sedans per week starting > > > in > > > March of this year, exceeding the sales outlook of 4,500 posted in the > > > February shareholder letter. In fact, Tesla managed to sell 4,900 Model > > > S > > > sedans in the first quarter. The automaker plans to deliver 21,000 total > > > for > > > the year, which slightly exceeds previous forecasts of about 20,000. > > > > > > For Q1 2013, Tesla reported a net income of $11.2 million (a huge > > > increase > > > from an $89.9 million loss in the year-ago quarter). Excluding certain > > > items, Tesla's profit came in at 12 cents a share, which was a boost > > > from a > > > loss of 76 cents a share in Q1 2012. Analysts expected a profit of about > > > 4 > > > cents a share. Revenue also saw a huge year-over-year boost, totaling > > > $562 > > > million (up from $30.2 million in the year-ago quarter). > > > > > > For those who can't make it to Tesla's California studio this week, > > > don't > > > fret -- Tesla will post a video of the demo on Twitter that night. > > > [(c) dailytech.com] > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/06/tesla-motors-inc-tsla-battery-swap/ > > > Tesla CEO Elon Musk : Battery Swap Demo Thurs . > > > ValueWalk-7 hours ago > > > Battery swapping is important for development of electric vehicles as > > > Tesla > > > ... Of course being able to swap batteries out of an electric vehicle > > > means > > > that it ... > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ibtimes.com/tesla-will-unveil-thursday-its-long-rumored-batte > > > ry-swap-technology-model-s-attempt-quell-concerns > > > Tesla Will Unveil On Thursday Its Long-Rumored Battery Swap ... > > > International Business Times-8 hours ago > > > Later this week in Palo Alto, Calif., electric-vehicle skeptics will get > > > some answers about Tesla's long-rumored battery pack swap technology, > > > addressing their ... > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/06/tesla-parades-ev-battery-swap-technolog > > > y/ > > > Tesla Parades EV Battery Swap Technology -by Edwin Kee 06/18/2013... > > > Driving an electric car is very different from using a smartphone which > > > runs > > > on batteries. Of course, for handsets that ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For all EVLN posts use: > > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/Na > > > mlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=evln&sort=date > > > > > > Here are today's archive-only EV posts: > > > > > > EVLN: French Auto-Train Offers Free/Preferential EV Travel > > > EVLN: Quebec & Vermont partner on EV corridor for fall 2013 > > > EVLN: Ford Neglects their Focus Electric, yet CARB copacetic > > > EVLN: Gentoo spin Leaf EVs @Gateshead College's performance test track > > > + > > > EVLN: Driving an EV is less expensive > > > > > > > > > {brucedp.150m.com} > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > View this message in context: > > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Tesla- > > > Parades-EV-Battery-Swap-Technology-tp4663736.html > > > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at > > > Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > > > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130621/f976c2b0/attachment.htm > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > > -- > Marcus Reddish > > *North Valley Systems LLC* > Stevensville, Montana > 406-360-8628 > northvalleyev.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20130621/97ce8db7/attachment.htm > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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