I saw a Ballard fuel cell system this week.

5KW in a large cabinet.  Two cells each producing 24 volts about the size of 
four shoe boxes each. A convertor the size of a two draw filing cabinet that 
turns methanol mixed with water into hydrogen for the cells.

It would make an awesome battery charger but it costs around $30K including the 
two door cabinet.

Fuel isn't cheap either and the tank costs $250 to fill and lasts 6 or 7 hours.

Don't you hate how economic reality gets in the way of electric dreams?

Solar keeps getting cheaper because it's silicon based tech.

Fuel cells are full of platinum and aren't getting cheaper until the 
electrochemistry uses something else as catalysts. 

jsl

On 22/06/2013, at 7:53 PM, Martin WINLOW <[email protected]> wrote:

> Jukka!  Shame on you.  Fuel cells in Teslas (ones that work, are practical 
> and don't cost twice as much as the rest of the car) are a pipe dream.  If 
> you haven't already, I suggest you read... 
> http://planetforlife.com/h2/h2conclude.html ...and the associated pages (the 
> link is to the conclusion).  It is a bit dated now (2004) but the laws of 
> physics and chemistry have not changed much, so the conclusion is still 
> valid.  H2 fuel cells as a replacement for fossil fuelled ICEs (or battery 
> electric drive trains for that matter) in personal transport vehicles do not 
> work and probably never will.  For a host of reasons.  Amen.
> 
> Regards, MW.
> 
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