Did you know that you can get a secondary VIN number for you conversion, modification or completely built up vehicle. To get the secondary VIN number depends of the percentage of change that you made to a existing vehicle. In my case, the change had to be over 50%.
The secondary VIN number includes the company or you who did the conversion and the documents reference number that listed all the manufacturer and equipment that was use for the conversion. If you are building a vehicle not using OEMs parts, then you will be issue a new VIN number. If you made more than 50% change of a OEMs vehicle, then the secondary VIN number will also have the primary VIN number to refer to. To get a secondary VIN number for a conversion, you contact the MVD Title Department and request a new title change. They will then send a Stage Two Inspector which will inspect every part, equipment and modification you made. The stage 2 inspector happens to be a car guy which also builds these type of cars. You have to have all the bill of sales, on the original vehicle and all the equipment you install in your vehicle. Back in 1977 the original OEMs vehicle cost about $5000.00. The conversion cost about $15,000.00, so I met the 50% change in cost. It wasn't till 2000, than I made the mechanical and body change that also met the 50% change in body equipment which included a entire new passenger compartment, custom front end of the vehicle, new suspension by Air Ride Technologies, chassis and driveline components by Mark and William Enterprises which are far superior then the OEMs components using 4000 lbs thrust rating components. Modified and box reinforce the frame so the motor can be disconnected from the accessory drive units, and then can be drop straight down with the transmission and drive components on to a dolly in with a hour. On your new title change, you can put a value of your vehicle. If you do value a lot higher than the original OEMs value and want it to insure for that value, than you will have to get a Surety Bond for that value. If someone else is liable for the damages to your vehicle, then they have to pay the amount that is listed on the surety bond. Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Ross via EV<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> To: EVDL Administrator<mailto:evp...@drmm.net> ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] its your car, not theirs I expect this to be a pendulum swing, you can understand the laptop folks getting nervous after the firestorm about laptops flaming on on the living room floor - if you don't tamper well. and it is exceedingly likely a tamper can go wrong given the wild world of Li ion batteries...as a product designer for 25 years I get it. On the other hand after 7 years designing aftermarket auto parts, I know there is congressional legislation to the effect that the automakers will not do anything to make the aftermarket fail. We are supposed to be able to work on our cars. There is a push pull. OEMs want control, but they don't want the service and parts business of older cars (nor of newer cars for that matter), and they do a crap job of it. As far as the aftermarket part makers go, EVs aren't on their map yet. Lobby your congressmen. That is how this works. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:56 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV < ev@lists.evdl.org<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>> wrote: > On 27 Apr 2015 at 23:59, David Rees via EV wrote: > > > The lithium battery controller on the LEAF is this way. If you want to > > swap an entire battery pack out, you have to be able to reprogram the > > LBC. Otherwise you have to open up the pack and either swap out all > > the modules or the LBC. > > It sounds like they're following the model of some laptop computers. A > couple of years ago I was looking into the idea of rebuilding an old laptop > battery with fresh cells. I found a writeup online from someone who had > tried it - and failed. > > It seems that the manufacturer took a page from the printer manufacturers' > books. The engineers built a counter into the BMS. When it had turned > around some designated number of amp-hours, the BMS simply quit allowing > the > lithium cells to charge, regardless of their actual condition. > > The BMS isn't available as a spare part, though there are some (possibly > dodgy) Chinese generic substitutes. > > This is not quite the same as the Leaf battery model cited, I guess, but > it's a similar principle: make it more difficult for the independent > mechanic or private owner to service the battery. The next step in the > Leaf > is to chip every individual cell, I suppose. > > And then there's Renault's leased EV battery that stops accepting charges > if > you don't keep paying the monthly rental. > > And how about the entire EVs that you can't own, but only lease, from the > EV1 and Honda EV Plus to the current Fit EV? It seems as if the new > generation of EVs was practically born into this restrictive model. :-( > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/<http://www.evdl.org/help/> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. 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