David, This is not a hypothetical situation, it is a struggle that is happening *right now* with several cities and counties (mostly in California) moving to "CCE" (Community Choice Energy) to get a handle on *where* the energy in their community is coming from and negotiate a contract with a (renewable) energy supplier. This has already happened in a few locations: San Diego and Sonoma to name a few. Last this year, this movement was almost shut down by proposed lawmaking (AB2145) which was killed by an outcry from residents who want to have a choice...
So, this is already happening, because cities recognise that they can only meet their renewable energy targets if they make the choice themselves and not wait on the utility. So - organise your community, contact your city leaders and representatives and get on the train that is already starting to roll! It is a slow start - the process started many years ago, but it is starting to be implemented in more and more communities: http://www.localcleanenergy.org/node/117 Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP: +31877841130 Tel: +1 408 383 7626 Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 -----Original Message----- From: EV on behalf of EVDL Administrator via EV Sent: Sat 5/2/2015 8:35 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla plugs into new market with home battery system(backup foolishness) On 2 May 2015 at 23:00, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > Distributed electrical utility is far more efficient than every little node > meeting peak demand. It just requires people to share, and to value that > efficiency enough to engage in collective collaborative activity. > To me, the idea of an electric cooperative has strong appeal. However, the pessimist in me says that if such a movement ever really got going in a big way, the commercial power producers would call in their lobbying chips and have at it. If ISPs can get laws passed against cities developing internet service, surely utilities can get laws passed against co-ops providing electric service. > I DO believe that some Li ion cells can be operated to last at least 10 > years, some types probably 20. There is science to back this up. New > testing with good correlation to reality. > Maybe you and I are just using different language for this, but we need knowledge, not faith. We can get real knowledge of whether some (many?) kinds of lithium batteries last 10-20 years. However, it'll take 10-20 years. Accelerated life testing is useful, but it's not the final answer. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4857 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150502/3fe5f065/attachment.bin> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
