Yes. Sorry, I should have been clearer.

You ended with the comment that we still need ICEs. I don't understand why.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2017, at 9:09 AM, "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com> wrote:
> 
> Are you asking me? I'm sorry but I don't understand why you are asking the 
> question. Personally, I don't think an ICE is better, environmentally, than 
> an EV.
> 
> Peri
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Mark Abramowitz" <ma...@enviropolicy.com>
> To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> Cc:
> Sent: 26-Oct-17 8:49:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (ice) Experts say there's no need for a 750mi 
> EV-range sweet spot
> 
>> Why would a polluting ICE be better than a ZEV?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep. 240, or maybe 300, miles range is sufficient for road trips. At least 
>>> for me. But charge time has to be quicker. At least 100kW? That's still 
>>> 40-50 minutes for an 80% charge. For now, I can rent an ICE on those 
>>> occasions. But then we still need ICEs.
>>> 
>>> Peri
>>> 
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "brucedp5 via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
>>> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
>>> Cc: "brucedp5" <bruce...@juno.com>
>>> Sent: 25-Oct-17 10:14:59 PM
>>> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: (ice) Experts say there's no need for a 750mi 
>>> EV-range sweet spot
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> % These were the same ice-bozos that said there is no need for more than 50
>>>> miles, nor 100 mile, nor 200+ mile range ... but the public is only 
>>>> thinking
>>>> what those same ice experts have told them: more range is better, thus more
>>>> range sells. %
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.theledger.com/news/20171022/746-miles-on-charge-experts-say-theres-no-need
>>>> 746 miles on a charge? Experts say there?fs no need
>>>> Oct 22, 2017  Eric D. Lawrence / Detroit Free Press
>>>> 
>>>> [image  / ERIC D LAWRENCE/DETROIT FREE PRESS
>>>> http://www.theledger.com/storyimage/LK/20171022/NEWS/171029803/EP/1/1/EP-171029803.jpg?Q=75&maxW=960&maxH=960
>>>> (bolt)  Industry watchers and auto executives are tapping the brakes on the
>>>> idea that the future of mainstream electric vehicles will be tied to an
>>>> ever-expanding range. Some now say they believe the sweet spot for battery
>>>> range might already have been reached
>>>> ]
>>>> 
>>>> DETROIT ?\ Elon Musk predicted two years ago that a Tesla should be able
> 
> 
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