Yeah, it could. Different discussion.

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From: "Mark Abramowitz" <ma...@enviropolicy.com>
To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>
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Sent: 26-Oct-17 3:01:24 PM
Subject: Re: Re[4]: [EVDL] EVLN: (ice) Experts say there's no need for a 750mi EV-range sweet spot

I completely get and agree with what you say. But that trip can be done emission-free, and ICE-free with an FCEV. Hence my pushback on "But then we still need ICEs."

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On Oct 26, 2017, at 9:40 AM, "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com> wrote:

Oh, simple. If I want to take a 300 mile trip, and my EV can go 200+ miles on a charge, I will need to stop for an hour to charge. You and I might be willing to do that, but most people will not. And some people drive 600 or miles in a day. They absolutely will not tolerate 3 hours of down time.

Further, you might not find a level 3 charger at the right point, so you may need to charge when you still have 50-100 miles range left, meaning even more down time.

Further, what do you do during that hour? If there happens to be a level 3 charger at a place you want to be and you will enjoy the down time, no problem. If it happens to be at a convenience store with nothing of much interest near by, how many bottles of water and chips can you buy while passing the time?

Peri

------ Original Message ------
From: "Mark Abramowitz" <ma...@enviropolicy.com>
To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>
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Sent: 26-Oct-17 9:35:02 AM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [EVDL] EVLN: (ice) Experts say there's no need for a 750mi EV-range sweet spot

Yes. Sorry, I should have been clearer.

You ended with the comment that we still need ICEs. I don't understand why.

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On Oct 26, 2017, at 9:09 AM, "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com> wrote:

Are you asking me? I'm sorry but I don't understand why you are asking the question. Personally, I don't think an ICE is better, environmentally, than an EV.

Peri

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Sent: 26-Oct-17 8:49:14 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (ice) Experts say there's no need for a 750mi EV-range sweet spot

Why would a polluting ICE be better than a ZEV?

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On Oct 26, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

Yep. 240, or maybe 300, miles range is sufficient for road trips. At least for me. But charge time has to be quicker. At least 100kW? That's still 40-50 minutes for an 80% charge. For now, I can rent an ICE on those occasions. But then we still need ICEs.

Peri

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Sent: 25-Oct-17 10:14:59 PM
Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: (ice) Experts say there's no need for a 750mi EV-range sweet spot



% These were the same ice-bozos that said there is no need for more than 50 miles, nor 100 mile, nor 200+ mile range ... but the public is only thinking what those same ice experts have told them: more range is better, thus more
range sells. %

http://www.theledger.com/news/20171022/746-miles-on-charge-experts-say-theres-no-need
746 miles on a charge? Experts say there?fs no need
Oct 22, 2017  Eric D. Lawrence / Detroit Free Press

[image  / ERIC D LAWRENCE/DETROIT FREE PRESS
http://www.theledger.com/storyimage/LK/20171022/NEWS/171029803/EP/1/1/EP-171029803.jpg?Q=75&maxW=960&maxH=960
(bolt) Industry watchers and auto executives are tapping the brakes on the idea that the future of mainstream electric vehicles will be tied to an ever-expanding range. Some now say they believe the sweet spot for battery
range might already have been reached
]

DETROIT ?\ Elon Musk predicted two years ago that a Tesla should be able



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