Well I wasn’t attempting to prove lights deter crime. All I said was that it 
was the original reason they installed them and apparently someone still 
believes it helps. Someone asked for data so I posted a link. 

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> On Jan 8, 2018, at 1:03 AM, Lee Hart via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> 
> paul dove via EV wrote:
>> https://www.crimesolutions.gov/PracticeDetails.aspx?ID=38
> 
> That's a good start. But the studies it references assume the lights are on 
> continuously, all night.
> 
> It's not obvious what effect lights that detect people and turn off when 
> there is no one around would have. They have to experiment, and collect data.
> 
> But one thing to watch out for: General Electric wanted to sell more light 
> bulbs to factories. So they did a study. They looked at the historical 
> productivity and accident rates in a plant. Then they installed new, brighter 
> lighting, and carefully measured productivity again. Voila! Productivity and 
> safety improved!
> 
> But... Then they repeated the experiment, but this time they *reduced* the 
> amount of light (to save electricity or cost). Again, the historical 
> productivity and accident rates improved!
> 
> It turned out that the workers *knew* they were being watched and measured; 
> so they worked harder and were more careful. The improvements came from the 
> increases monitoring, not from the lighting changes.
> 
> Crime statistics are likely to suffer from the same sort of bias.
> 
> For example, adding lights to 1st street might lower the crime rate on 1st 
> street... because the criminals moved to 2nd street. But adding lights to 2nd 
> street (and eventually, to every street) may turn out to have *no* overall 
> effect on crime, since everywhere is still the same.
> -- 
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> and a sterner sense of justice than we do. -- Wendell Berry
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